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In reply to the discussion: Laying Blame: Population vs. Consumption [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)18. I think that's the thing most people don't understand.
People persist in thinking that civilization is not a power-maximizing system, that it's something else instead, like a relatively malleable set of social, economic or political arrangements. It's not. Civilization is a self-organizing complex adaptive system whose Prime Directive appears to be to maximize its power throughput in the interests of increasing its size and organization.
The mechanisms like politics and economics that we develop along the way to support that process are almost incidental. Certainly their forms are incidental - except that each of the mechanisms in place today exists because it was better at supporting the Prime Directive than any competing mechanism.
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I don't really think that has a clear relationship to happiness and suffering.
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#29
I'm not really using an established western definition of "well-being" to be honest
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#31
So your answer is "yes"? All our improved happiness (if we have any) is worth climate change?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#35
Actually I'm not going to tell anyone what does or doesn't make them happy.
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#45