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In reply to the discussion: Laying Blame: Population vs. Consumption [View all]NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)39. There is no reason to not throw in the towel
Last edited Tue Jan 15, 2013, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
If the "happiness" our progress is bringing us is worth climate change, then why care about climate change? Since technology frees us and we cannot be sufficiently happy without it, it is worth arguing that any other existence (viable or otherwise) is not preferable.
And of course you don't think an "appeal to popularity" for happiness is necessarily valid
Appeal to popularity is never valid. Most people do not know enough about how they would feel if they experienced another way of life, so judging a hypothetical happiness is without merit. When you appeal to popularity, you appeal to ignorance. A better approach is to compare and contrast lifestyles of existing foragers vs different types of existing industrial citizens.
I've already called you out on the Community of Sublime Forager nonsense
Which is a strawman. Life could suck being more "primitive". I understand that. Life already sucks. Life will suck worse due to climate change. Im not sure my children or future grandchildren will not die of climate change induce famine. I personally do not feel that the trappings of technology & consumerism justify where we are heading in terms of happiness. But most won't understand that until we are well into it.
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I don't really think that has a clear relationship to happiness and suffering.
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#29
I'm not really using an established western definition of "well-being" to be honest
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#31
So your answer is "yes"? All our improved happiness (if we have any) is worth climate change?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#35
Actually I'm not going to tell anyone what does or doesn't make them happy.
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#45