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CRH

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12. Both issues are important, but, ...

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:52 AM

Jan 2013

population will need to be reduced regardless. Reduction of population to sustainable levels might not be problematic after the reduction if institutions reorganize so constant growth is not a necessity. However, requirements of a surviving population after a reduction, will require a living environment that a resulting civilization can depend upon for agriculture and limited commerce. If AGW produces 6*C rise of global mean temperature within a century, no such environment will exist. Few scientists believe these levels are survivable for long.

On this basis, for me, the AGW is far more important that overpopulation. One has an avenue to correction, the other, maybe not.

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AGW: a bigger issue than overpopulation? [View all] GliderGuider Jan 2013 OP

What's AGW? tama Jan 2013 #1

Sorry, it's "Anthropogenic Global Warming" GliderGuider Jan 2013 #2

Urban consumer myopia tama Jan 2013 #3

Lots of emotive drama GliderGuider Jan 2013 #6

Emotive drama? tama Jan 2013 #8

Oedipus is not "emotive drama"? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #9

Nice meal, tummy full, good woman, tama Jan 2013 #13

My grumpy friend tama Jan 2013 #46

Thank you so much for that. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #47

Let's not underestimate intellect tama Jan 2013 #48

Yes - both/and instead of either/or. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #49

And courage nt tama Jan 2013 #50

Toujours courage, mon vieux! nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #53

AGW without a doubt, ... CRH Jan 2013 #4

Good point. copare the two scenarios... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #17

To me any one issue isn't really bigger or smaller than the next The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #5

If not bigger or smaller, how about "more or less urgent"? nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #7

Nobody can agree on that either The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #10

That's pretty much my take on it. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #11

Both issues are important, but, ... CRH Jan 2013 #12

Perhaps both are mutually correcting in a feedback loop? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #14

That is the scenario I perceive, ... CRH Jan 2013 #15

So it goes... nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #16

Or homo sapiens more clever than wise NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24

Tool monkeys GliderGuider Jan 2013 #26

Tool Monkeys fuck yeah! indeed. n/t CRH Jan 2013 #34

AGW. But then, I've always held nature & wildlife in higher regard than people. nt raouldukelives Jan 2013 #18

Me too. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #51

Self organizing systems... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #19

Mmmhmm. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #21

‘Population Bomb’ scientist: ‘Nobody’ has the right to ‘as many children as they want’ Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #20

I read this, and I'm still a bit in the dark on one thing. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #22

If no couple had more than two children wtmusic Jan 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author wtmusic Jan 2013 #29

Actually, I might try and claim that. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author wtmusic Jan 2013 #32

Nope, no special powers. And I'm just as human and illusion-ridden as the next schmoe. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #35

This thing is quite the mind fuck, eh? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #37

Thank you. Yes, it is. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #41

I have a question for you on the two child family, ... CRH Jan 2013 #36

No, thats not quite right NoOneMan Jan 2013 #38

Yeah that is what I am wrestling with, ... CRH Jan 2013 #39

There is a finite number of generations alive at any given time. NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42

No, two is the right number. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #43

Ok I guess, but my brain still resists, ... CRH Jan 2013 #44

Yes, you got it. Plus... GliderGuider Jan 2013 #45

I went through this same process on DU a few years ago. wtmusic Jan 2013 #52

Your scenario (roughly double the death rate) would still be 'overpopulation' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #23

I don't think it "solves" it - and there's one twist to my scenario GliderGuider Jan 2013 #25

You said "Climate change will fix that (overpopulation)" is your position muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #33

Oh dear. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #40

Anthropogenic Climate Change is an overriding priority OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #28

So stipulated, your Honor. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #31