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Bernardo de La Paz

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15. Very serious, but we are stuck with it and will find the balance. How hard we make it on ourselves
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jan 2013

The situation is very serious but we have technology and there is no going back. Technology is too good, too much fun.

The issue is to find the balance. The balance does not belong with the people who want to send everybody back to the land and "re-educate" them like Maoists. Nor does it belong to the "pave the earth" crowd.

How hard we make it on ourselves getting to the balance point is the issue. Wars, political fights, corporate greed, fat cats getting richer at the expense of middle class and working poor, water fights, the rat race, extinction of species, ....

Mother nature could care less. Though I applaud the picture, Nature will win in the end. Humankind can't kill nature, but nature can kill humankind. The only other outcome is a harmonious balance. I'm confident we will find it, eventually, but not confident about the process.

Nature doesn't have a memory, but humankind does and will not forget how certain segments of the economy sacrificed habitat and species for short-term gain.

How to get to the balance? Less trading in of last year's iPod for this year's iPod. Make things last. Repair them. Buy quality that will last.

[font size = +1]Reduce, Reuse, Recycle[/font] is more than a slogan.

It means think before buying. Buy for the long term. Repair. Hand down good equipment if you must upgrade. Think about how a product will be recycled (easily or with difficulty, heaven forbid not recycled at all) before buying. Use composting.

Climate change may require massive efforts like spreading high altitude sulfates to reduce insolation. That's technology, as a short-run fix, that will allow the climate to slow down while we get our carbon cycle better organized.

The balance is there. Our grandchildren will get there. It's up to us to make it easier for our children to achieve it.

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Murder Most Foul [View all] GliderGuider Jan 2013 OP
So true. joshcryer Jan 2013 #1
I have to admit to a certain ambivalence toward technology GliderGuider Jan 2013 #2
As an anti-capitalist I look at this picture and want to punch it. joshcryer Jan 2013 #3
I think recovering from technophilia is like recovering from any addiction. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #4
Sadly, GG... joshcryer Jan 2013 #5
Oh, I'm planning to die whenever it's my time. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #6
You're Canadian, right? joshcryer Jan 2013 #7
Yes. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #8
Its too tough to predict what might happen anywhere NoOneMan Jan 2013 #32
The models predict that mid and equatorial latitude areas will be drier. joshcryer Jan 2013 #34
Burning wood for heat, etc is the most destructive form of energy dbackjon Jan 2013 #10
But how will we ever get the songbirds out of the trees to eat GliderGuider Jan 2013 #13
Done properly, it is very sustainable NickB79 Jan 2013 #35
Wood can be sustainable for very small populations dbackjon Jan 2013 #36
Thousands of years of history, momentum, and complexity The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #14
Thank you GG for the Ho'oponopono BanzaiBonnie Jan 2013 #23
You're welcome. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #25
Great post josh tama Jan 2013 #9
Technophilia is becoming a religious movement NoOneMan Jan 2013 #31
It's a salvation theology. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #33
Ok littlemissmartypants Jan 2013 #11
Tradition. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #12
Gaia Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #16
Very serious, but we are stuck with it and will find the balance. How hard we make it on ourselves Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #15
Yes, the answer is in the balance. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #18
Yes, but kneeling is not required ... Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #20
Hmm - not exactly my vision of paradise. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #21
I agree, overly idealistic. Surrender of the ego is required, but not kneeling. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #26
The pride that keeps us from kneeling is what will do us in. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #27
The pride of making showy gestures like kneeling is equally destructive. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #28
OK, so let's just agree that we need to dump all our pride. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #29
Hey, we are equally useless! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #30
Adapting to a chaotic, constantly shifting dynamic The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #22
That's why the coming reset of the balance point is going to be such a doozy. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #24
Inherit or Borrow? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2013 #17
We borrow it not just from our children, but from all life. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #19
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