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PamW

(1,825 posts)
50. Ignorance of Science doesn't cut it.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jan 2013

mother earth states
You may as well tell us, If man were meant to fly he'd have wings. Necessity, my friend, necessity is the mother of invention!

The problem for mother earth is that he / she doesn't understand the limits that the laws of physics or the laws of nature constrain us.

Any scientist or engineer knows that there are some problems we can NEVER "invent" our way out of.

For example, one would find something like this on a science test. We have a source of heat at temperature T-hot and a sink of heat at temperature T-cold. What is the maximum efficiency for energy conversion that we can have operating between these two temperatures.

You see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics limits the efficiency; and its a law that we can't "invent" ourselves out of. We have to accept that as a limit.

That's one of the big problems with the renewables crowd; they don't know the limits to which Mother Nature constrains us.

Go ahead, get the entire population to denounce nuclear; set up your renewable generation system; and then watch helplessly as Mother Nature won't let it work for you; and there will be NOTHING you can do about.

If you listen to scientists like myself; you will save yourselves a lot of disappointment.

It doesn't matter if you have the votes of every person in the USA and the President on your side.

If you don't have Mother Nature on your side; Mother Nature and the Laws of Physics won't let you do what you want.

Again, by not accepting the limits of the Laws of Physics; you are no better than, and in many ways a lot worse than, the climate deniers that you berate so much.

Don't be clueless; learn the Physics.

PamW

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Sad, really chervilant Jan 2013 #22
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Pot calling the kettle black.. PamW Jan 2013 #41
Again? chervilant Jan 2013 #44
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OIC chervilant Jan 2013 #47
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Indeed chervilant Jan 2013 #57
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Self-serving propaganda? chervilant Jan 2013 #63
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Straw man speaking there. Updated. longship Jan 2013 #27
Actually, YOUR post is the Strawman. bvar22 Jan 2013 #28
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Revisionist History - INCORRECT!!! PamW Jan 2013 #30
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More REVISIONIST history PamW Jan 2013 #34
A Clarification longship Jan 2013 #35
If you don't like the response; don't make the mistake. PamW Jan 2013 #36
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Ignorance of Science doesn't cut it. PamW Jan 2013 #50
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