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Nederland

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48. I agree

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:17 PM

Jan 2013

The poor are screwed. In fact, its worse than you describe. We do not have to experience any sort of dramatic decline in our ability to produce food for the poor to starve. All that has to happen is for our standard of living to rise enough to the point that the poor of the world cannot give the rich farmers of the world enough to make it worth their time. A first world farmer (or more accurately, a first world corporate farm) might very well find that growing food for the poor of the world simply isn't profitable any more. This is especially true if continued government cuts reduce the amount of money going to foreign aid.

My point and disagreement is only that I do not see famine spreading to the first world. Lots of other things might hit the first world, but not lack of food.

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