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NoOneMan

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61. BTW, did anyone else notice those articles were from 1994 and 1999?

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:17 AM

Jan 2013

And today we are seeing agricultural shifts north already.

http://www.homerdixon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Historic-Warnings-of-Future-Food-Insecurity-with-Unprecedented-Seasonal-Heat.pdf

http://ibp.generationcp.org/confluence/download/attachments/23069648/Ortiz_et_al_2008-Can_wheat_beat_the_heat-AgrEcosystEnv.pdf

Forgive me but I think our recent scenarios aren't quite as rosy. This is a shifting situation and things are shifting to the "not good" column

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BTW, did anyone else notice those articles were from 1994 and 1999? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #61

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