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NoOneMan

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12. Everything wants resources and energy from something else
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jan 2013

To everything, the death or destruction of other things to support its life is justified. This much is natural and observable.

What doesn't seem natural is killing & destroying beyond one's needs. Perhaps that is the "greed" part. Do we see lions killing and killing, leaving carcasses to rot? Do animals deprive other creatures of life, for reasons beyond security or energy? Yes, there are exceptions, but it seems the natural world has an "enough" point even if an immediate natural check is not present; of course, long term, culling species unnecessarily will lead to one's own species to be culled if they are a part of the food chain. Did animals evolve to develop this "enough" point after facing famines from reckless behavior? Did we?

I think the problem with humans is that we do not know what we "need" any more, if we ever did. We are so separated--by culture--from a finely tuned system that took billions of years to evolve, that we have no idea how much to take--it often seems like we are taking just the "right" amount personally if we are just getting by. We also don't understand that taking too much impacts the system that supports us as well due to our divorce from nature. We can rationalize our own greed, because our individual taking has little discernible impact; it is the aggregate, non-direct impact that does (which we can harbor hatred against).

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A question about greed [View all] GliderGuider Jan 2013 OP
Bad genetics pscot Jan 2013 #1
The issue is one of the evolutionary process itself? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #4
Bad in a survival sense pscot Jan 2013 #8
OK, I wondered if that was how you meant it GliderGuider Jan 2013 #9
thinking much farther ahead than the next meal has nearly zero evolutionary value phantom power Jan 2013 #2
So all this is perfectly normal, then? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #3
I guess my answer is "yes" phantom power Jan 2013 #6
Too much Social Darwinism reteachinwi Jan 2013 #5
Thanks! GliderGuider Jan 2013 #7
That competitiveness seems to be cultural pscot Jan 2013 #10
That's an interesting point. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #11
You hit the nail on the head Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #22
Everything wants resources and energy from something else NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
Do humans need more than 2800 calories a day of food, GliderGuider Jan 2013 #15
In general, no NoOneMan Jan 2013 #17
Crashing back to a Zimbabwean standard of living would be catastrophic GliderGuider Jan 2013 #21
Greed... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #13
If we harm others without knowing we're doing it, is it still greed? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #14
I pointed out when it's *definitely* greed.. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #16
Actually, I don't have any quibbles at all with what you posted. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #19
Death by a thousand improvements? The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #18
Yes, that's my take on how we got here. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #20
Until humans think and act communally, ... CRH Jan 2013 #23
Thank you! GliderGuider Jan 2013 #24
Thank You! I absolutely love ... CRH Jan 2013 #25
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