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joshcryer

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22. Well, sure, they wouldn't, if it did.

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:48 PM

Feb 2013

Does it? You have faith that it won't be economical in some future timeframe you have no evidence will or will not come to fruition. When every bit of evidence suggests that simply is not how things are playing out.

You cite Ikea Group. Probably the best in the world as far as it comes to actually wanting to achieve sustainability. Yet China supplies 22% of their stuff. Sure, they have IWAY and SEEP, but neither of those programs is truly audit-able in uber-capitalist China. Indeed, say "well we're buying renewable wind" and check a box somewhere and it's impossible to prove if the suppliers are providing things the "IKEA Way."

Give me some hard predictions. Show me some big results. Not one corporation doing OK.

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Nuclear power and the French energy transition: It�s the economics, stupid! [View all] kristopher Jan 2013 OP

Exit economics: The relatively low cost of Germany's nuclear phase-out kristopher Jan 2013 #1

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Implication vs reality kristopher Jan 2013 #6

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"the German electricity sector is becoming ever more dependent on coal" kristopher Feb 2013 #42

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Thank you. nt kristopher Feb 2013 #36

Coal is economical. joshcryer Jan 2013 #8

Unfortunately it is. kristopher Jan 2013 #10

A tax. joshcryer Feb 2013 #11

"Externalize the cost of coal"?? kristopher Feb 2013 #12

I should have said "address the external costs of coal." joshcryer Feb 2013 #13

Think about your "belief" kristopher Feb 2013 #14

You've been saying that for years. joshcryer Feb 2013 #15

Why would people burn coal when it will cost less to use renewables? kristopher Feb 2013 #17

Well, sure, they wouldn't, if it did. joshcryer Feb 2013 #22

Price trends are unequivocal. kristopher Feb 2013 #25

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"all the energy that is economical to use" kristopher Feb 2013 #18

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re: Harris kristopher Feb 2013 #20

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Your second clause is specifically rejected by Harris kristopher Feb 2013 #23

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I didn't think you were being critical kristopher Feb 2013 #28

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That's odd, GG. kristopher Feb 2013 #31

I realized I wasn't ready to start discussing this yet, for a variety of reasons. GliderGuider Feb 2013 #32

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"anti-nuke ignorance, fear, and superstition HAVE"... kristopher Feb 2013 #34

You can't admit that anti-nuke ignorance/fear/superstition EXIST FBaggins Feb 2013 #35

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How many want to transition away from nuclear? kristopher Feb 2013 #39

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You have distinct memories of that, do you? wtmusic Feb 2013 #45

That's a very convenient memory lapse kristopher Feb 2013 #46

And a scathing critique it is. wtmusic Feb 2013 #47

You have to admit your standards of what constitute "science" are very subjective kristopher Feb 2013 #48