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wtmusic

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2. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:43 AM
Feb 2013

My prediction is that there will be some kind of half-ass "deal" worked out, where some routes of XL will be denied but there will still be a path from sands to port. Obama is far too accommodating in his negotiating strategy and is too concerned with saving face.

blm, I remember tangling with you on several occasions in 2003/2004 in the primaries when you were supporting Kerry and I, Dean. I ended up campaigning vigorously for Kerry and developed a lot of respect for him. I believe there's a real possibility we'll see him as our next president.

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Clinton sealed those deals already and left the final tidying up to Kerry so she wouldn't be SEEN blm Feb 2013 #1
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. wtmusic Feb 2013 #2
I have no doubt the deals were already made and have been for a long time. blm Feb 2013 #3
Deals worked out between whom? You mean like a secret deal between Obama and Trans-Canada? limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #4
It's a dog and pony show and has been. Clinton was ready to sign the deal 4 years ago. blm Feb 2013 #5
Indeed, and Obama ordered them to delay it until further studies could be done. joshcryer Feb 2013 #7
Both Clintons pushed heavily FOR it. Who knows what deals they secured with blm Feb 2013 #10
Obama wanted it built. joshcryer Feb 2013 #11
It's the whole 'make Kerry the fall guy' aspect of it that pisses me off. blm Feb 2013 #13
I don't see it that way though, he's just following orders. joshcryer Feb 2013 #14
The decision was coming from State Dept. and Clinton camp was foursquare blm Feb 2013 #15
How does "instrumental" = "bystander"? joshcryer Feb 2013 #16
The President could order Kerry to shut it down in an instance. joshcryer Feb 2013 #6
The worst part is, if the US shuts it down, harper's puppetmasters will just call... Amonester Feb 2013 #8
Exactly, which is why the US will build it. joshcryer Feb 2013 #12
I have no doubt that President Obama will give the whole thing his OK hatrack Feb 2013 #17
Lisa Jackson. Booted from EPA spot. joshcryer Feb 2013 #18
harper's big oil neocons would just flip the switchboard and deal with their clients... Amonester Feb 2013 #9
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