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wtmusic

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12. Wind subsidies/tax credits, as a proportion of the actual product they deliver

Reply to Kolesar (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:49 AM

Jan 2012

blow nuclear out of the water. Not even close.

Wind would have to increase by a factor of 9, and solar by a factor of 666. It's never, ever going to happen.

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America Is Getting More Power from Renewables than From Nuclear [View all] n2doc Jan 2012 OP

All the big dams have already been built. hunter Jan 2012 #1

Once upon a time Nederland Jan 2012 #2

We're including ethanol added to gasoline as "renewable power", are we? wtmusic Jan 2012 #3

Nukes and ethanol both have externalized social costs and require huge public subsidies Kolesar Jan 2012 #4

Wind subsidies/tax credits, as a proportion of the actual product they deliver wtmusic Jan 2012 #12

Let me show you how to support your claims kristopher Jan 2012 #6

ERROR!! ERROR!! ERROR!!! PamW Jan 2012 #9

classic move Maslo55 Jan 2012 #5

That makes no sense at all. kristopher Jan 2012 #7

This old saw PamW Jan 2012 #10

... Maslo55 Jan 2012 #28

I frequently see wind turbine blades traveling down the highway waddirum Jan 2012 #8

Compare the output power. PamW Jan 2012 #11

Hmmm� OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #13

Do you know the difference between a loan guarantee and a loan? wtmusic Jan 2012 #14

It appears that these two projects are about the same order of magnitude OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #15

A bit of a stretch. FBaggins Jan 2012 #16

This is one project OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #17

What's the next-largest in the US? FBaggins Jan 2012 #18

Why does this matter? OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #19

Because it's the relevant comparison. FBaggins Jan 2012 #20

I guess we need a more precise definition of �swamp� and �meager� OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #23

Roughly 4-5 times as much is "swamping" in my estimation FBaggins Jan 2012 #24

This demonstrates your false reasoning kristopher Jan 2012 #25

What percentage of the average wind turbine is produced at that plant? FBaggins Jan 2012 #26

Two problems with your take on this. kristopher Jan 2012 #27

Nope Maslo55 Jan 2012 #29

Nuclear Loan Guarantees Aren�t Just Guarantees: They are Actual Taxpayer Loans bananas Jan 2012 #30

No, they aren't. wtmusic Jan 2012 #31

Actually... they are. But why is that a bad thing? FBaggins Jan 2012 #32

IF the loan goes bad. wtmusic Jan 2012 #33

I love when nuclear proponents use that foolish claim kristopher Jan 2012 #21

Lol! And you're still spinning that nonsense. FBaggins Jan 2012 #22