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joshcryer

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16. How does "instrumental" = "bystander"?

Reply to blm (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:33 AM

Feb 2013

I'm just trying to make it clear that the decision is Obama's and it's something he wants to get done. Whether Clinton got inside his head and made him magically become pro-Keystone is not for me to decide, but given Obama's other policy positions I think being for Keystone is unsurprising at best. Remember, before he got elected in 2008 he changed his position completely on offshore drilling.

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Keystone XL: pressure on Kerry ahead of meeting with Canada counterpart [View all] Eugene Feb 2013 OP

Clinton sealed those deals already and left the final tidying up to Kerry so she wouldn't be SEEN blm Feb 2013 #1

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. wtmusic Feb 2013 #2

I have no doubt the deals were already made and have been for a long time. blm Feb 2013 #3

Deals worked out between whom? You mean like a secret deal between Obama and Trans-Canada? limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #4

It's a dog and pony show and has been. Clinton was ready to sign the deal 4 years ago. blm Feb 2013 #5

Indeed, and Obama ordered them to delay it until further studies could be done. joshcryer Feb 2013 #7

Both Clintons pushed heavily FOR it. Who knows what deals they secured with blm Feb 2013 #10

Obama wanted it built. joshcryer Feb 2013 #11

It's the whole 'make Kerry the fall guy' aspect of it that pisses me off. blm Feb 2013 #13

I don't see it that way though, he's just following orders. joshcryer Feb 2013 #14

The decision was coming from State Dept. and Clinton camp was foursquare blm Feb 2013 #15

How does "instrumental" = "bystander"? joshcryer Feb 2013 #16

The President could order Kerry to shut it down in an instance. joshcryer Feb 2013 #6

The worst part is, if the US shuts it down, harper's puppetmasters will just call... Amonester Feb 2013 #8

Exactly, which is why the US will build it. joshcryer Feb 2013 #12

I have no doubt that President Obama will give the whole thing his OK hatrack Feb 2013 #17

Lisa Jackson. Booted from EPA spot. joshcryer Feb 2013 #18

harper's big oil neocons would just flip the switchboard and deal with their clients... Amonester Feb 2013 #9