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FBaggins

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30. You are. Let's take another step or two.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:29 AM
Feb 2013

Let’s take a look at one of the examples in that link. We’ll use Massachusetts since that’s the state in the OP.

They claim that a system (no word on specifics) will cost you $7,061 after incentives and will save you $57/month and $13,719 over twenty years. But they also say that it will pay for itself in four years.

Their math is off somewhere. You can’t pay back $7,000 in four years at $57/month.

But let’s take it a little farther. The average cost for electricity in MA is a bit under 15 cents / kwh. Saving $57/month implies and average production of almost 400 kwh/month. With a capacity factor of 10%, that means that you’re talking about a 6 kw system.

You’re doing pretty well if you can install a residential solar system of that size for under about $25,000. So there would have to be some pretty huge incentives to knock your final cost down to $7,000 (and of course… someone is paying for those incentives)

Of course we can tweak some of those assumptions (some may top 10% CF if their house is in the right place) but there's no way that the system will ever pay back $25,000 over it's lifespan. And that's before we even start to talk about the financing/opportunity costs involved. If you finance $7,000 at just 5%, the first $29/month is going to pay interest on the loan.

There are real world cases where consumer solar cells can pay for themselves (including financing costs and incentives) - but you're not going to find them in New England.


A good rule of thumb should be "DON'T stick 'em where the sun don't shine"

Another good rule of thumb should be to not trust solar installers to tell you how much you're going to save. They don't lose their corporate profit motive just because they're in a clear energy industry.

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NNadir! Welcome back! Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #1
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #3
well said, Arctic Dave wordpix Feb 2013 #40
Pilgrim Station nuclear plant automatically shut down in the thick of the storm Friday hedgehog Feb 2013 #2
How long does it take a nuke to break even? (Assuming no failures.) immoderate Feb 2013 #4
20 Years is not "pretty good" FBaggins Feb 2013 #8
I was off on Germany. immoderate Feb 2013 #10
I'm sorry... that too is wrong. FBaggins Feb 2013 #12
I'm homing in then. immoderate Feb 2013 #16
You are. Let's take another step or two. FBaggins Feb 2013 #30
How many Greenpeace knuckleheads are reading magazine articles at hearings wtmusic Feb 2013 #19
It is a rooftop solar install for the building. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #5
Basement actually, but you are conceptually correct. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #14
I know right, the cabal is just keeping backyard nukes secret. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #15
IOW Fairy Dust Brand Nukes. kristopher Feb 2013 #17
Tell it to Fukishima! KurtNYC Feb 2013 #6
Germany's capacity factor is around 9% wtmusic Feb 2013 #20
Yeah, tell it to Fukushima Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #26
Actually it doesn't have to be... PamW Feb 2013 #29
Speaking as someone who probably lives closer to the nuclear disaster area Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #31
Hello, Art RobertEarl Feb 2013 #32
Thank you Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #33
Well, Pam? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #35
Didn't you read the bio? PamW Feb 2013 #46
You are right, he's not a dumb ass RobertEarl Feb 2013 #47
Tell it to the US where the nuke industry wants $60 billion in taxpayer-guaranteed loans to wordpix Feb 2013 #41
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #7
13 cents. misleading number quadrature Feb 2013 #9
Solar is great!! rightsideout Feb 2013 #11
After ten years of your relentless hatred, I must comment arendt Feb 2013 #13
Results of Jury stevenleser Feb 2013 #21
Thanks for kick, Steven. wtmusic Feb 2013 #23
You're welcome, and yes, I am proud of it and this statement in the OP is why stevenleser Feb 2013 #24
This facility is completely representative of the industry wtmusic Feb 2013 #25
Too bad that link you keep posting doesn't support the claim you make. kristopher Feb 2013 #27
What's funny is they keep posting that link without ever having read it. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #52
"Facts suck" - have you read the facts documented in Nuclear Roulette: wordpix Feb 2013 #42
I made it through the first seven words. wtmusic Feb 2013 #43
wow, you're really well educated on the subject, then wordpix Feb 2013 #48
I don't waste my time reading that trash. wtmusic Mar 2013 #51
Thank you Arendt..... prairierose Mar 2013 #53
Is your math right? OnlinePoker Feb 2013 #18
Even if it was 1,000 years it would be worth it wtmusic Feb 2013 #22
No it isn't right. kristopher Feb 2013 #28
Snowfall collapses roof at Chernobyl nuclear power plant Iterate Feb 2013 #34
Well! It was nice of Dean Wormer to stop by !! ... eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #36
Super Storm Sandy shuts down 2 stupid douchebag nukes jpak Feb 2013 #37
Earthquake and tsunami cause asshole douchebag nukes to explode in Japan jpak Feb 2013 #38
Nobody died wtmusic Feb 2013 #39
No one has died from solar power in Mass. either jpak Feb 2013 #44
Prove it. wtmusic Feb 2013 #45
nobody died at Fuku? Actually, no one knows how many cancer deaths will result wordpix Feb 2013 #49
Meltdown: Despite the Fear, the Health Risks from the Fukushima Accident Are Minimal wtmusic Mar 2013 #50
not going to argue this with someone who's read 7 words of "Nuclear Roulette" wordpix Mar 2013 #54
Fine, you put your faith in "Gerry Mander"... wtmusic Mar 2013 #55
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