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In reply to the discussion: TEPCO Rose [View all]

PamW

(1,825 posts)
46. I've looked...
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 07:19 PM
Feb 2013

The levels of Plutonium in Lithuania are consistent with what most of the world has.

The entire planet got a good "dusting" of Plutonium during the years 1945-1962 when the USA and the former Soviet Union due to atmospheric nuclear weapons tests. Those tests dusted the planet with over 10 metric tonnes of Plutonium.

Although nitwits like Helen Caldicott will tell you that a single kilogram of Plutonium in the environment will wipe out all life on the planet; and the above figure is 10,000 times what Caldicott says will destroy all life on the planet; the scientific truth is something else.

You can see how much that dusting of Plutonium is contributing to your radiation dose courtesy of the University of Michigan chapter of the Health Physics Society:

http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/radrus.htm

If you look at the entry "Fallout" you will see that the radiation exposure from all that Plutonium is <0.03% of the average person's annual exposure. Mother Nature is giving you over 3000 times the radiation exposure that you get from all that Plutonium.

The Plutonium found in Lithuania was tracked back to Fukushima. They found Plutonium in Fukushima and ASSUMED it must have come from Fukushima. They don't know that there is Plutonium spread all over the world courtesy of the USA and Soviet Union back in the '50s.

Fukushima added 2 grams of Plutonium to the 10 metric tonnes that the USA / Soviet Union already dusted us all with. TEPCO increased our Plutonium exposure by a trivial amount. The USA / Soviet Union did 500,000 times worse in Plutonium exposure to us than TEPCO did. We've been living with the Plutonium that the USA / Soviet Union distributed for more than half a century. However, the radiation due to all that Plutonium is really "small potatoes" compared to what Mother Nature is blasting us with.

I didn't ignore Art; I responded. Art didn't have any independent measurements. He lives there and can only confirm for us that the Japanese authorities have closed down areas. We didn't need independent confirmation from Art. Dr. Richard Muller and I both know that the Japanese authorities have closed down areas around Fukushima. What Dr. Muller was pointing out in his WSJ article is that the amount of radiation that is the limit for the Japanese authorities to close an area is one-third the amount of radiation exposure we tolerate in Denver.

Dr. Muller and I both say that there are areas of Fukushima prefecture close to the crippled plant that are higher than Denver; and we agree that the Japanese authorities should close those area.

The question is over the areas that are NOT as high as in Denver. The people in Denver are living healthy lives bathed in more radiation and the Denver authorities don't close down the city; when Japanese authorities are closing down areas that have a third of the "Denver dose".

Evidently you didn't get Dr. Muller's message from his WSJ article. Basically, Dr. Muller is saying that the Japanese authorities are "over-reacting" to the Fukushima threat. The only thing Art can confirm is that the Japanese authorities are reacting by closing down areas. Art can't tell us how much, or more to the point, how little radiation is causing the Japanese authorities to react.

PamW

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TEPCO Rose [View all] Octafish Feb 2013 OP
What "murder of 8 billion people" are you talking about? wtmusic Feb 2013 #1
I imagine that refers to plutonium exposure. Octafish Feb 2013 #2
Sounds like the seabirds are healthy. wtmusic Feb 2013 #3
According to your way of thinking, wtmusic, plutonium must be good for you. Octafish Feb 2013 #4
Is that what passes for logic these days? FBaggins Feb 2013 #8
Fantastic catch! Octafish Feb 2013 #11
What about him/her? FBaggins Feb 2013 #12
Lady Barbara Judge is the subject of the post. Do you have anything to add about her? Octafish Feb 2013 #13
She's the subject of the thread... not the post. FBaggins Feb 2013 #18
Thanks. Very astute observation, FBaggins. Octafish Feb 2013 #29
This is where EDUCATION is needed.. PamW Feb 2013 #34
I like education Thanks Pam RobertEarl Feb 2013 #35
Spontaneous fission. PamW Feb 2013 #36
Turbine steam was in direct contact with the MOX fuel? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #37
Actually... PamW Feb 2013 #40
Tell us what you think of this, Pam RobertEarl Feb 2013 #41
Sure.... PamW Feb 2013 #43
Plutonium Pam RobertEarl Feb 2013 #44
I've looked... PamW Feb 2013 #46
Denying science again, aren't you, Pam? Yep. RobertEarl Feb 2013 #49
I don't doubt the Lithuaninan scientists.. PamW Feb 2013 #51
Bravo. wtmusic Feb 2013 #38
Pam sure made this clear RobertEarl Feb 2013 #39
You need to cool a reactor.. PamW Feb 2013 #42
Wow, Pam. RobertEarl Feb 2013 #45
Again... PamW Feb 2013 #47
Another profound statement RobertEarl Feb 2013 #50
I'm glad you AGREE!! PamW Feb 2013 #48
She's not suggesting they are thinking about re-starting parts of the Dai-ichi plant is she? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #5
Her hiring may be a PR move of the first stank rather than as a professional fixer-upper. Octafish Feb 2013 #6
K&R RobertEarl Feb 2013 #7
Nuclear war is crazy. Nuclear weapons are crazy. Nuclear power is crazy. Octafish Feb 2013 #9
There's tons spread around the world WITHOUT the bunkers. PamW Feb 2013 #10
That paper was published in 2002. It's a good bet there's a lot more plutonium now. Octafish Feb 2013 #14
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! Everything you said was 100% WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2013 #15
Uhhh, Pam? You do know this, right? RobertEarl Feb 2013 #16
I hope she doesn't know it... FBaggins Feb 2013 #19
Hey, ya seen #4 RobertEarl Feb 2013 #20
Another straw man? FBaggins Feb 2013 #21
Building #4 has crumbled RobertEarl Feb 2013 #23
WRONG AGAIN!!! PamW Feb 2013 #25
There are TONS of spent MOX (PLUTONIUM and URANIUM!!!) outside that core in the spent fuel pools. Octafish Feb 2013 #32
Another thread you should review FBaggins Feb 2013 #33
You're kidding, right? FBaggins Feb 2013 #26
Self-righteous anti-nukes. PamW Feb 2013 #28
You'll get a kick out of today's Dilbert FBaggins Feb 2013 #30
I'll have to send this to my colleague.. PamW Feb 2013 #31
YES - volatile materials PamW Feb 2013 #22
Thank you for straightening me out, PamW. Octafish Feb 2013 #17
But you need to be an engineer... PamW Feb 2013 #24
Scientifically - I agree with the TEPCO assessment PamW Feb 2013 #27
Lady Barbara Judge to give David J. Rose Memorial Lecture at MIT PamW Feb 2013 #52
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