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napoleon_in_rags

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1. Looks like good work.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 03:13 AM
Mar 2013

Seeing the world in terms of fundamentals like energy is SO important right now. We get so blinded by secondary things like economic metrics.
I have to ask though, is entropy the right concept? I mean is it meaningful in the context of an open system with energy always pouring in from the sun?

Okay, off my tablet so I can actually type. Yeah, what I was wondering is, we always have this increase in entropy, but we also have this increase in terms of what comes in from the sun. So ... My question is, could we express things in terms of a deficit? I mean, solar power manifests as:
1) collectible solar energy
2) energy held in plants that can be used in bio-fuel solutions (the kind that don't get rid of food, like the algae of course)
3) Thermal differences that create wind, so wind energy.

(A few other energy sources exist in tidal and geothermal, not directly traceable to current sunlight. )

So all that makes up our natural energy revenue. The energy in fossil fuel comes from sunlight millions of years ago making plants. So we're spending more than we make right now. But what exactly is that deficit?

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Thermodynamic footprints [View all] GliderGuider Mar 2013 OP
Looks like good work. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #1
My first thought is GliderGuider Mar 2013 #2
I think some of your statements, ... CRH Mar 2013 #3
Yes, you're seeing the humanist blockage up close and personal. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #4
I think we agree more than we disagree, ... CRH Mar 2013 #5
"reading this paper earlier in the week was the greatest "Eureka!" moment I've ever had in my life" kristopher Mar 2013 #6
Building an "integrated, holistic and thoughtful understanding" is exactly what I'm doing. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #7
This is what I see kristopher Mar 2013 #8
And I have no doubt that Swenson and Odum would think I'm bastardizing their work as well. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #9
Recall please... kristopher Mar 2013 #10
Yes, and in fact my view on determinism hasn't changed. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #11
No he isn't kristopher Mar 2013 #12
Well he's out of luck. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #13
You can't explain why Harris rejects your assertions regarding ... kristopher Mar 2013 #14
I don't make absolute assertions about that - at least not any more. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #15
Very nice. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #16
I don't think it would be a violation. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #17
Eureka! I love that. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #18
Sweet! GliderGuider Mar 2013 #19
Well, the boat can always get bigger. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #20
I know what you mean. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #21
I relate to that actually. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #22
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