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CRH

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5. I think we agree more than we disagree, ...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:51 AM
Mar 2013

I agree with the 'thermdynamic process, but not as an excuse for behavior. As to not being able to fight Mother nature. Nature is honestly represented in the petri dish. Eat, consume energy, reproduce, shit, and die from overcrowding, ambient degradation and lack of sustenance. On an animal level, eat, reproduce, over crowd, starve or migrate or evolve. Humans are only special because exercising maximum energy is a choice.

Then there is the 'we are special rap'. Well, we are, in comparison to the rest of nature's ability to manipulate environment and circumstance. We must live within the laws of thermodynamics by which nature is define and determine consequence, because those laws are not going to change because we are special. It is opposite, because we are special, we can confine ourselves within limitations and not eat the last of the food in the petri dish or reproduce until the resources dictate dieoff. Our motivation is not confined only to instinct or genetic coding but rather is enhanced with 'intelligence'. To say humans could not have avoided the crisis they face, we were compelled by entropy; denies we can determine boundaries and live within.

As far as teleological explanations and 'special' interpretations, how about confining the universe to machinations of human perception of absolute scientific theories, that determine intelligent life has no destiny beyond limitations of perceived genetic coding. Note in the universe there is nothing confining intelligent life to human concepts, except our perceptions.

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Thermodynamic footprints [View all] GliderGuider Mar 2013 OP
Looks like good work. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #1
My first thought is GliderGuider Mar 2013 #2
I think some of your statements, ... CRH Mar 2013 #3
Yes, you're seeing the humanist blockage up close and personal. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #4
I think we agree more than we disagree, ... CRH Mar 2013 #5
"reading this paper earlier in the week was the greatest "Eureka!" moment I've ever had in my life" kristopher Mar 2013 #6
Building an "integrated, holistic and thoughtful understanding" is exactly what I'm doing. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #7
This is what I see kristopher Mar 2013 #8
And I have no doubt that Swenson and Odum would think I'm bastardizing their work as well. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #9
Recall please... kristopher Mar 2013 #10
Yes, and in fact my view on determinism hasn't changed. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #11
No he isn't kristopher Mar 2013 #12
Well he's out of luck. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #13
You can't explain why Harris rejects your assertions regarding ... kristopher Mar 2013 #14
I don't make absolute assertions about that - at least not any more. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #15
Very nice. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #16
I don't think it would be a violation. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #17
Eureka! I love that. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #18
Sweet! GliderGuider Mar 2013 #19
Well, the boat can always get bigger. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #20
I know what you mean. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #21
I relate to that actually. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #22
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