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GliderGuider

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15. I don't make absolute assertions about that - at least not any more.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 04:55 PM
Mar 2013

I fully accept Harris' use of the word "probabilistically" in his definition of the principle. I don't disagree with him on that score at all. The determinism is indeed probabilistic, but as Harris notes, the probability is weighted in favour of the upward flow of cultural influence from the infrastructure compared to the downward flow from the superstructure.

This also ties in with the field of Ecological Psychology, especially in its Gibsonian form:

James J. Gibson, too, stressed the importance of the environment, in particular, the (direct) perception of how the environment of an organism affords various actions to the organism. Thus, an appropriate analysis of the environment was crucial for an explanation of perceptually guided behaviour. He argued that animals and humans stand in a 'systems' or 'ecological' relation to the environment, such that to adequately explain some behaviour it was necessary to study the environment or niche in which the behaviour took place and, especially, the information that 'epistemically connects' the organism to the environment.

It is Gibson's emphasis that the foundation for perception is ambient, ecologically available information – as opposed to peripheral or internal sensations – that makes Gibson's perspective unique in perceptual science in particular and cognitive science in general. The aphorism: "Ask not what's inside your head, but what your head's inside of" succinctly captures that point. Gibson's theory of perception is information-based rather than sensation-based and to that extent, an analysis of the environment (in terms of affordances), and the concomitant specificational information that the organism detects about such affordances, is central to the ecological approach to perception.

Given that Gibson's tenet was that "perception is based on information, not on sensations", his work and that of his contemporaries today can be seen as crucial for keeping prominent the primary question of what is perceived (i.e., affordances, via information) – before questions of mechanism and material implementation are considered. Together with a contemporary emphasis on dynamical systems theory and complexity theory as a necessary methodology for investigating the structure of ecological information, the Gibsonian approach has maintained its relevance and applicability to the larger field of cognitive science.

Given that perception is the origin of most behaviour, this appears to dovetail quite well with Infrastructural Determinism.
It's also worth noting that Swenson subscribes to this school of thought.

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Thermodynamic footprints [View all] GliderGuider Mar 2013 OP
Looks like good work. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #1
My first thought is GliderGuider Mar 2013 #2
I think some of your statements, ... CRH Mar 2013 #3
Yes, you're seeing the humanist blockage up close and personal. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #4
I think we agree more than we disagree, ... CRH Mar 2013 #5
"reading this paper earlier in the week was the greatest "Eureka!" moment I've ever had in my life" kristopher Mar 2013 #6
Building an "integrated, holistic and thoughtful understanding" is exactly what I'm doing. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #7
This is what I see kristopher Mar 2013 #8
And I have no doubt that Swenson and Odum would think I'm bastardizing their work as well. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #9
Recall please... kristopher Mar 2013 #10
Yes, and in fact my view on determinism hasn't changed. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #11
No he isn't kristopher Mar 2013 #12
Well he's out of luck. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #13
You can't explain why Harris rejects your assertions regarding ... kristopher Mar 2013 #14
I don't make absolute assertions about that - at least not any more. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #15
Very nice. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #16
I don't think it would be a violation. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #17
Eureka! I love that. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #18
Sweet! GliderGuider Mar 2013 #19
Well, the boat can always get bigger. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #20
I know what you mean. GliderGuider Mar 2013 #21
I relate to that actually. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #22
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