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OKIsItJustMe

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17. They’re already here

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 04:02 PM

Apr 2013

The only question is how the market will split between BEV’s and FCEV’s. They each have their advantages and disadvantages.

http://www.hyundainews.com/us/en-us/Media/PressRelease.aspx?mediaid=38232&title=hyundai-ix35-fuel-cell

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Up to 1.000 units of hydrogen-powered model to be produced by 2015
Deliveries to municipal and private fleets underway
Winner of prestigious FuturAuto 2013 award for technical innovation

OFFENBACH, March 5, 2013 - Production of the Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell began at the company’s Ulsan manufacturing plant in Korea in January 2013, making Hyundai the first automaker to begin commercial production of a hydrogen-powered vehicle. The first complete car rolled off the assembly line on 26 February 2013.

Hyundai plans to manufacture 1.000 units of the hydrogen-powered ix35 Fuel Cell vehicles by 2015, targeted predominantly at public sector and private fleets, with limited mass production of 10.000 units beyond 2015.

Hyundai has already signed contracts to lease the ix35 Fuel Cell to municipal fleets in Copenhagen, Denmark and Skåne, Sweden. Additionally, since October 2011, the EU Fuel Cells and Hydrogen Joint Undertaking (FCH JU) in Brussels has been providing Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell vehicles to EU policy makers and the public in order to demonstrate the market readiness of fuel cell technology.

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New (Flow) Battery Design Could Help Solar and Wind Energy Power the Grid [View all] OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 OP

Very interesting. A major fallacy in the energy world is that the same technology can BlueStreak Apr 2013 #1

“… Some nitwits have talked about truly hair-brained schemes …” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #2

Why would I want to own an electric car if the power company could BlueStreak Apr 2013 #3

While I’m skeptical of V2G I believe your estimation is off OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #4

In that example, I believe they ran the gas engine BlueStreak Apr 2013 #5

I don’t mean to suggest that people should do this themselves OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #6

"Drain EVs" dramatically oversimplifies the proposal. FBaggins Apr 2013 #7

Regarding the third area BlueStreak Apr 2013 #8

No... I mean actual supply/demand spikes. FBaggins Apr 2013 #9

V2G efficiency losses are at least 20% wtmusic Apr 2013 #11

Did you read the reply? FBaggins Apr 2013 #12

Or, put another way, it’s about 80% efficient OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #15

Do you like green eggs and ham? (Why?) wtmusic Apr 2013 #18

Maybe I don't understand the leveling problem BlueStreak Apr 2013 #14

Agree on V2G, fuel cells have been a few years away for 20 years wtmusic Apr 2013 #10

EVs are way under 1% of the market BlueStreak Apr 2013 #13

Automotive (hydrogen) fuel cells will never happen. wtmusic Apr 2013 #16

They’re already here OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #17

They've been "here" for twenty years. wtmusic Apr 2013 #19

No, they”re being assembled now. OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #20

They're selling them to fleets wtmusic Apr 2013 #21

Um… perhaps they want an actual clean technology OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #22

Compressed H2 reformed from natural gas is significantly more efficient used in an FCV wtmusic Apr 2013 #27

Yeah, I didn’t want to overstate the case OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #32

Let's find out. wtmusic Apr 2013 #35

“Apparently the difference has to do with electricity used in the reforming process.” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #36

From a manufacturer who's hyping their FCV and doesn't offer a BEV. wtmusic Apr 2013 #37

Now, why do you suppose he would be irrationally attracted to FCEV’s? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #38

For the same reason VW was attracted to them? wtmusic Apr 2013 #39

I guess we’ll see OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #40

In situ Hydrogen generation (talk about a political football) BlueStreak Apr 2013 #24

You could generate your own hydrogen from a solar array wtmusic Apr 2013 #25

That may all be true. What it boils down is that both camps are hoping for a miracle BlueStreak Apr 2013 #26

There are 50,000 people in the U.S. driving cars which you say are not "anywhere close" wtmusic Apr 2013 #28

What do you drive? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #30

The one huge disadvantage of EVs BlueStreak Apr 2013 #29

Recharging is really not a problem. wtmusic Apr 2013 #31

For me, that would work as a SECOND car if it had twice the range BlueStreak Apr 2013 #34

Pressurization may not be the challenge you imagine OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #33

Think of the market for ... oldhippie Apr 2013 #23

The name of the team leader might be familiar to some longtime EE readers kristopher Apr 2013 #41