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OKIsItJustMe

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33. Pressurization may not be the challenge you imagine
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 07:54 AM
Apr 2013
http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/SolarHydrogenStation/
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[font size=5]Honda begins experimental operation of next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station for household use.[/font]

[font size=3]With the goal of replacing fossil fuels, reducing emissions and combating climate change, Honda has worked proactively to development of fuel cell electric vehicles, which it views as the ultimate clean mobility of the future. Also believing it crucial to eliminate CO[font size=1]2[/font] emissions that result from the production, storage and supply of hydrogen fuel, Honda is engaged in the research and development of advanced H[font size=1]2[/font] infrastructure technologies.

Since 2001, Honda has operated an experimental solar-powered water electrolyzing hydrogen station in Los Angeles, California. In January 2010 in the same location, Honda began experimental operation of a next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station that is small enough to fit in a typical household garage. To produce high-pressure hydrogen, the previous station required not only an electrolyzer but also a separate compressor unit. For the next-generation Solar Hydrogen Station, Honda developed a new high-differential pressure electrolyzer that combines electrolysis and compression functions in a single unit.Since a separate compressor is no longer necessary, the Solar Hydrogen Station is more compact, quieter and lower in cost, making home hydrogen supply a more realistic option going forward.

In March 2012, Honda installed at the Saitama Prefectural Office Japan's first solar hydrogen station that emits zero CO[font size=1]2[/font] through the entire process of producing, storing, and supplying hydrogen. This project, conducted in a public-private partnership with Saitama Prefecture and Iwatani Corporation, was commissioned by Japan's Ministry of the Environment and seeks to verify new technologies for realizing the low-carbon society of the future.



By operating next-generation Solar Hydrogen Stations, Honda seeks to enhance the efficiency of sustainable energy supply technologies while identifying and solving any issues that may stand in the way of full commercialization of hydrogen production and supply stations.

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http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/progress11/ii_e_3_dunn_2011.pdf
[font face=Serif][font size=5]II.E.3 High-Capacity, High Pressure Electrolysis System with Renewable Power Sources[/font]



[font size=4]Results[/font]

[font size=3]Avãlence has existing technology that is globally unique in its ability to deliver hydrogen directly at storage-ready pressures of 2,500 and 6,500 psi without a separate compressor. Using an alkaline electrolyte process, the Avãlence Hydrofiller systems integrate the production and compression processes by operating the electrolytic cells at the desired delivery pressure. The systems can interface directly with renewable electricity supplies and have been shown in previous work (DOE Small Business Innovation Research project completed in April 2005) that the electrolyzer operates through the full range of voltages output from the connected photovoltaic (PV) array without using any power conditioning equipment. These characteristics result in a renewable hydrogen production and delivery system that is significantly more efficient and reliable, and substantially less expensive than existing commercially available electrolyzer and compressor system sets. The smaller scale Hydrofillers are based on a single cathode/anode tubular cell design with production capability of about 0.1 kg/day per cell. A revolutionary design approach to this high-pressure cell core is needed for an order-of-magnitude capacity scale up of the individual electrolyzer modules.



[font size=4]Introduction[/font]

Initial test work on nested components, with passive circulation, was conducted during the first quarter of FY 2011. The test results from one nested set did demonstrate substantial recirculation (driven only passively at this point). The recirculation had a very positive effect in that purity of hydrogen (before the catalyst) increased from 98.5% typical at 2,200 psig to >99.5% at 2,200 psig. The recirculation resulted in less dwell time inside the cells for the gas bubbles and therefore less opportunity to diffuse or leak by whatever minute paths exist. This is an indication that Avãlence should be able to return to high pressure operation (6,000 psig) with no compressor, and stay below the required safety limit of 2% impurity before the catalysts. The test cell, with five nested electrodes, will use active circulation, which should further reduce dwell time, so even better results are anticipated. In support of the multi electrode testing, Avãlence has selected circulation pumps for testing of the five nested electrodes.

Based on the tests conducted during the first quarter of FY 2011 and additional analysis, there is a problem of excessive voltage drop associated with axial electrical conductivity in the nested set of 316 stainless steel electrodes. As a result, additional design work was undertaken to decrease electrical resistance within the cells and associated with pass through (sealed) conductors. This is focusing on the selection and construction of the anodes and cathodes that provide the axial conductivity and electrical pass through, and which are also of acceptable cost. The test cell design is limited to 3’ height due to concern over voltage loss axially. This means that the pilot plant cells at 6’ will require that electrical connections are made at both ends of the electrodes or another solution is devised in order to improve the conductivity. For example, it is possible to solve this problem with a change in material (to nickel for example), but this is costly. Avãlence is working on other concepts such as layering (cladding) the electrodes to deliver both the conductivity required and to manage the cost.

Lastly, design work focused on how to align the plurality of electrodes and membranes top and bottom for better manufacturability. This is being addressed by securing the membranes and inner electrodes to a top alignment mount made of PVC that will be glued to the upper gas manifold (also made of PVC). The relatively thin membranes will be reinforced at the bottom with a PVC guide ring glued to the membranes. The membranes and electrodes are attached to a PVC bottom alignment guide, and the entire assembly can then be inserted into an outer anode and flange assembly. Avãlence is researching the manufacture and supply of stiff tubular membranes made by casting a membrane material onto a rigid ceramic, extruded PVC, or other support.

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Very interesting. A major fallacy in the energy world is that the same technology can BlueStreak Apr 2013 #1
“… Some nitwits have talked about truly hair-brained schemes …” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #2
Why would I want to own an electric car if the power company could BlueStreak Apr 2013 #3
While I’m skeptical of V2G I believe your estimation is off OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #4
In that example, I believe they ran the gas engine BlueStreak Apr 2013 #5
I don’t mean to suggest that people should do this themselves OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #6
"Drain EVs" dramatically oversimplifies the proposal. FBaggins Apr 2013 #7
Regarding the third area BlueStreak Apr 2013 #8
No... I mean actual supply/demand spikes. FBaggins Apr 2013 #9
V2G efficiency losses are at least 20% wtmusic Apr 2013 #11
Did you read the reply? FBaggins Apr 2013 #12
Or, put another way, it’s about 80% efficient OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #15
Do you like green eggs and ham? (Why?) wtmusic Apr 2013 #18
Maybe I don't understand the leveling problem BlueStreak Apr 2013 #14
Agree on V2G, fuel cells have been a few years away for 20 years wtmusic Apr 2013 #10
EVs are way under 1% of the market BlueStreak Apr 2013 #13
Automotive (hydrogen) fuel cells will never happen. wtmusic Apr 2013 #16
They’re already here OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #17
They've been "here" for twenty years. wtmusic Apr 2013 #19
No, they”re being assembled now. OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #20
They're selling them to fleets wtmusic Apr 2013 #21
Um… perhaps they want an actual clean technology OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #22
Compressed H2 reformed from natural gas is significantly more efficient used in an FCV wtmusic Apr 2013 #27
Yeah, I didn’t want to overstate the case OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #32
Let's find out. wtmusic Apr 2013 #35
“Apparently the difference has to do with electricity used in the reforming process.” OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #36
From a manufacturer who's hyping their FCV and doesn't offer a BEV. wtmusic Apr 2013 #37
Now, why do you suppose he would be irrationally attracted to FCEV’s? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #38
For the same reason VW was attracted to them? wtmusic Apr 2013 #39
I guess we’ll see OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #40
In situ Hydrogen generation (talk about a political football) BlueStreak Apr 2013 #24
You could generate your own hydrogen from a solar array wtmusic Apr 2013 #25
That may all be true. What it boils down is that both camps are hoping for a miracle BlueStreak Apr 2013 #26
There are 50,000 people in the U.S. driving cars which you say are not "anywhere close" wtmusic Apr 2013 #28
What do you drive? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #30
The one huge disadvantage of EVs BlueStreak Apr 2013 #29
Recharging is really not a problem. wtmusic Apr 2013 #31
For me, that would work as a SECOND car if it had twice the range BlueStreak Apr 2013 #34
Pressurization may not be the challenge you imagine OKIsItJustMe Apr 2013 #33
Think of the market for ... oldhippie Apr 2013 #23
The name of the team leader might be familiar to some longtime EE readers kristopher Apr 2013 #41
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