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In reply to the discussion: New (Flow) Battery Design Could Help Solar and Wind Energy Power the Grid [View all]wtmusic
(39,166 posts)39. For the same reason VW was attracted to them?

VW CEO Says That Hydrogen Fuel Cells Have Failed to Live up to Promises
"A few years ago there were a number of automotive manufacturers putting serious money into hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles. These vehicles promised to have a driving range similar to a conventional gasoline-powered automobile, but produce no emissions to pollute the atmosphere.
However, the vehicles faced several daunting challenges, including the lack of a hydrogen fuel infrastructure and the fact that hydrogen is highly flammable and difficult to store.
Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn stated this week that hydrogen fuel cells have failed to live up to promises and are unlikely to become an efficient and cost-effective way to power cars in the near future."
http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/content/en/innovation/fuel_and_propulsion/Fuel_Cell.html
VW claimed not three years ago that EVs didn't make sense. Since then, they've changed their minds on that too.

Volkswagen announces its first electric production car the e-up!
"Volkswagen may be a bit late to the electric vehicle game, as far as major global manufacturers go, but it's making up for it quickly. Hot on the heels of the world premiere of its e-Co-Motion electric van concept and the revolutionary XL1 hybrid, the company is introducing its first electric production car the e-up! which made its debut at its Annual Press and Investors Conference. The electric up! is a city car that can travel up to 93 miles (150 km) per charge.
Volkswagen has been growing its line of up! city cars for the past several years. The four-seat e-up!, which debuted as a concept at the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show, brings a zero-local-emissions presence to the line, and according to Volkswagen, also a "nearly zero noise" presence.
The e-up! is powered by an 81-hp electric motor and 18.7 kWh lithium-ion battery. The motor puts out 155 lb-ft (210 Nm) of torque and sends the car rolling to 62 mph (100 km/h) in 14 seconds. Its top speed is 83 mph (135 km/h). The car doesn't receive the intensive weight savings of the XL1, but it does manage to keep light at 2,612 lbs. (1,185 kg)."
http://www.gizmag.com/volkswagen-first-electric-e-up/26654/
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New (Flow) Battery Design Could Help Solar and Wind Energy Power the Grid [View all]
OKIsItJustMe
Apr 2013
OP
Very interesting. A major fallacy in the energy world is that the same technology can
BlueStreak
Apr 2013
#1
Compressed H2 reformed from natural gas is significantly more efficient used in an FCV
wtmusic
Apr 2013
#27
“Apparently the difference has to do with electricity used in the reforming process.”
OKIsItJustMe
Apr 2013
#36
That may all be true. What it boils down is that both camps are hoping for a miracle
BlueStreak
Apr 2013
#26