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BlueStreak

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2. Hmmmm ...
Mon May 20, 2013, 05:56 PM
May 2013

I doubt that there is any geology where you can just pump air into the ground and not have it leak through fractures (or create new fractures, as if we need any more earthquakes). As far as containers to store energy through compression, that might have a chance. I believe there was a French car that we being prototyped to run only on compressed air. They were hoping to get 200 miles in a minicar at city speeds. But it isn't clear that would be any better than battery power.



This video is almost laughable when it talks about perpetual motion. Your average 5th-grader should see the huge flaws in that reasoning without working up a sweat. That video was 5 years ago, and as far as I know, the vehicle never happened. If you could really pump it up for 3 minutes and then drive for 200 miles, this would be a huge deal, regardless of the cost of pumping it up.

And for storage at the power grid scale of things, there are reservoirs where water is pumped uphill already for storage. There are several big experiments with flywheels, and there is also a lot of interest in "flow batteries" which can scale up far more than the more common lithium-ion batteries. But if compressed air can work better than those alternatives, then great.

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There are so many things about this that are bad. Gregorian May 2013 #1
Naturally there are losses… the question is whether they are acceptable or not OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #3
It's like hydro but with huge thermal losses. It might be good for special situations. Gregorian May 2013 #5
CAES figured prominently in Scientific American’s “Solar Grand Plan” in 2008 OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #6
No prob if it's solar. That's a whole different ballgame. I assumed worst case- fossil. Gregorian May 2013 #8
I was taught that everything was solar energy (at one time) OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #12
Hmmmm ... BlueStreak May 2013 #2
Your assessment of the availability of suitable locations isn't accurate kristopher May 2013 #10
And can they hold 100 PSI of pressure, for example? BlueStreak May 2013 #11
Well, if you don't believe it then all those academics and researchers must be wrong. kristopher May 2013 #13
We'll see how this works out. BlueStreak May 2013 #14
And by “working out” you mean… OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #15
That's interesting. Do you care to explain why BlueStreak May 2013 #17
By all means! Be skeptical! OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #18
There are more than two photovotaic installations in operation in the world BlueStreak May 2013 #19
"The fact that it has been around so long and never really established ..." kristopher May 2013 #20
Thanks for your financial advice BlueStreak May 2013 #21
"f I understand the facts correctly" kristopher May 2013 #22
I am in the presence of greatness. Sorry that it wasn't as obvious to me as it should have been. BlueStreak May 2013 #24
You're the one out of line. kristopher May 2013 #25
You don't know what you're talking about. kristopher May 2013 #16
Worth trying. silverweb May 2013 #4
Theoretical this, theoretical that... wtmusic May 2013 #7
Poor little nuclear loving wtmusic... kristopher May 2013 #9
Denholm was writing "studies" about this years ago. Lovins was handing out this bull in the 1970's NNadir May 2013 #23
Poor Nnads... kristopher May 2013 #26
What a surprise... NNadir May 2013 #27
The larger problem has been dipshits pretending that a few nuclear plants will do anything... kristopher May 2013 #28
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