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OKIsItJustMe

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3. Naturally there are losses… the question is whether they are acceptable or not
Mon May 20, 2013, 06:21 PM
May 2013

However:

http://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=985



The world's two existing compressed air energy storage plants — one in Alabama, the other in Germany — use man-made salt caverns to store excess electricity. The PNNL-BPA study examined a different approach: using natural, porous rock reservoirs that are deep underground to store renewable energy.




http://www.powersouth.com/mcintosh_power_plant/compressed_air_energy
[font face=Serif][font size=5]CAES[/font]

[font size=4] Located in McIntosh, Ala., the 110-megawatt Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) facility is PowerSouth’s most unique generating source.[/font]

[font size=3]The PowerSouth CAES unit was declared commercial in 1991. It is the only one of its kind in the U.S. and one of only two in the world. The other CAES unit is located in Huntorf, Germany.

The unit captures off-peak energy at night, when utility system demand and costs are lowest. Compressors force air into an underground storage reservoir at high pressure. PowerSouth uses the stored energy during intermediate and peak energy demand periods to generate electricity.

At full capacity, the CAES facility produces enough electricity to power approximately 110,000 homes.

The CAES plant burns roughly one-third of the natural gas per kilowatt hour of output compared to a conventional combustion turbine, thus producing only about one-third the pollutants.[/font][/font]
(Video available at the site.)

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There are so many things about this that are bad. Gregorian May 2013 #1
Naturally there are losses… the question is whether they are acceptable or not OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #3
It's like hydro but with huge thermal losses. It might be good for special situations. Gregorian May 2013 #5
CAES figured prominently in Scientific American’s “Solar Grand Plan” in 2008 OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #6
No prob if it's solar. That's a whole different ballgame. I assumed worst case- fossil. Gregorian May 2013 #8
I was taught that everything was solar energy (at one time) OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #12
Hmmmm ... BlueStreak May 2013 #2
Your assessment of the availability of suitable locations isn't accurate kristopher May 2013 #10
And can they hold 100 PSI of pressure, for example? BlueStreak May 2013 #11
Well, if you don't believe it then all those academics and researchers must be wrong. kristopher May 2013 #13
We'll see how this works out. BlueStreak May 2013 #14
And by “working out” you mean… OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #15
That's interesting. Do you care to explain why BlueStreak May 2013 #17
By all means! Be skeptical! OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #18
There are more than two photovotaic installations in operation in the world BlueStreak May 2013 #19
"The fact that it has been around so long and never really established ..." kristopher May 2013 #20
Thanks for your financial advice BlueStreak May 2013 #21
"f I understand the facts correctly" kristopher May 2013 #22
I am in the presence of greatness. Sorry that it wasn't as obvious to me as it should have been. BlueStreak May 2013 #24
You're the one out of line. kristopher May 2013 #25
You don't know what you're talking about. kristopher May 2013 #16
Worth trying. silverweb May 2013 #4
Theoretical this, theoretical that... wtmusic May 2013 #7
Poor little nuclear loving wtmusic... kristopher May 2013 #9
Denholm was writing "studies" about this years ago. Lovins was handing out this bull in the 1970's NNadir May 2013 #23
Poor Nnads... kristopher May 2013 #26
What a surprise... NNadir May 2013 #27
The larger problem has been dipshits pretending that a few nuclear plants will do anything... kristopher May 2013 #28
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