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NNadir

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23. Denholm was writing "studies" about this years ago. Lovins was handing out this bull in the 1970's
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:33 PM
May 2013

Denholm's paper - one of my favorites because it admits that the cost of this expensive garbage approach will rely. as all wind schemes do, on natural gas and will thus have a carbon impact 5 times greater than cleaner and more sustainable nuclear - is found here:

Environ. Sci. Technol., 2005, 39 (6), pp 1903–1911

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es049946p

What happened along these lines in the last 8 years?

A little over eight years ago, when this paper, one of thousands upon thousands of "renewables will save us" "studies" was published, the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was 378.47 ppm. It's 400 ppm today.

Zero huge "compressed air" facilities have been built on this planet since this Denholm study was published. It was wishful thinking then, and it's wishful thinking now, except now the emergency has accelerated beyond all reason, as 2012 was the second worst year ever observed for dangerous fossil fuel waste accumulations, and 2013 is well on track to be the worst.

All of these "miracle" "could" statements in the world have not prevented climate change, nor will they. All they will do is encourage more people to burn oil, coal and gas in order to tell us how great "renewable energy" is, even though it has a 50 year history of not doing shit.

Have a nice evening.

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CAES figured prominently in Scientific American’s “Solar Grand Plan” in 2008 OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #6
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I was taught that everything was solar energy (at one time) OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #12
Hmmmm ... BlueStreak May 2013 #2
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That's interesting. Do you care to explain why BlueStreak May 2013 #17
By all means! Be skeptical! OKIsItJustMe May 2013 #18
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"The fact that it has been around so long and never really established ..." kristopher May 2013 #20
Thanks for your financial advice BlueStreak May 2013 #21
"f I understand the facts correctly" kristopher May 2013 #22
I am in the presence of greatness. Sorry that it wasn't as obvious to me as it should have been. BlueStreak May 2013 #24
You're the one out of line. kristopher May 2013 #25
You don't know what you're talking about. kristopher May 2013 #16
Worth trying. silverweb May 2013 #4
Theoretical this, theoretical that... wtmusic May 2013 #7
Poor little nuclear loving wtmusic... kristopher May 2013 #9
Denholm was writing "studies" about this years ago. Lovins was handing out this bull in the 1970's NNadir May 2013 #23
Poor Nnads... kristopher May 2013 #26
What a surprise... NNadir May 2013 #27
The larger problem has been dipshits pretending that a few nuclear plants will do anything... kristopher May 2013 #28
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