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NNadir

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47. There's no such thing as a competition between solar and nuclear energy.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

Nuclear energy has a capacity utilization of close to 90% in this country. Solar energy - even when the solar cells aren't breaking apart and spilling cadmium telluride into the environment - is lucky if it has a capacity factor of 10%, making it totally unreliable.

Solar energy will never be as clean, as sustainable, as reliable or as cheap as nuclear energy. Comparing nuclear energy with solar energy is rather like comparing Willy Mays to third string outfielder in the worst team in the Little League A level.

Nuclear energy works, solar energy doesn't. Nuclear energy produces about 30 exajoules of primary energy, making it the world's largest, by far source of climate change gas free primary energy. It did this while being criticized loudly by people who can't think very well.

By contrast, solar energy, with six decades of mindless cheering, can't even produce a half an exjoule of energy, despite unjustified popular enthusiasm, an absurd cost, the requirement for vast government subsidies without which it would die, and its need to entrench the dangerous natural gas industry forever, or at least until the atmosphere stops functioning because of the amount of waste in it.

And how old is the cheering? Here's a 1954 ad from the discoverer of the photovoltaic cell telling us that solar energy will bring us limitless energy:



I quote:

If this energy could be put to use, there would be enough to turn every wheel and light every lamp that mankind would ever need


http://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/belllabs_photovoltaics.html

Where have I, um, heard that before? Um...um...um...I don't know...maybe in the endless delusional day dreaming posts I've read here since about 2002.

And what has been the result of all this solar faith?

In 2002, the concentration of carbon dioxide as observed at Mauna Loa was 373.22 ppm.

Today, a little under 11 years later its, um, 400.03 ppm, for the week ending May 26, 2013.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

I guess, sixty years later, there are lots of wheels and lots of lamps that "mankind" (sic) needs that solar can't do shit about.

At least in 1954, when they composed this ad, they didn't have 60 years of failure behind them. They, at least, had an excuse for naive optimism.

There are zero forms of energy on this planet that solar energy can replace, because it doesn't work.

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Your comment: "Heckuva job anti-nukes" hlthe2b Jun 2013 #1
He can't. He only has one mode: nasty. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #10
Behaves the same way @ Daily Kos FogerRox Jun 2013 #14
Venomous hyperbole aside, I'd rather live next to failing solar panels than a leaky nuke reactor. djean111 Jun 2013 #2
"Or shoot it at middle easterners", it just became clear to me why we invaded Iraq. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #6
Right now, we're radiating the Pacific ocean. BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #11
So is the sun. wtmusic Jun 2013 #39
You are going to equate sunlight and nuclear BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #40
I can't do that, can I. wtmusic Jun 2013 #44
If we cannot build a solar cell with no moving parts Downwinder Jun 2013 #3
You lost me at Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #4
Thats why I switched to Burning Coal. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #5
My, my intaglio Jun 2013 #7
Someone woke up on the dumb shit side of the bed this morning, eh? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #8
Do you mean the New York Times, or do you mean the people who can't understand the words in it? n/t NNadir Jun 2013 #19
Like the proverbial bad penny, you just keep turning up, don't you? kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #9
Sounds to me like you have a dog in this fight. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #12
They DO last Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #13
NNadir would you buy Nuclear fission reactors from China & install it in your home state? FogerRox Jun 2013 #15
Excellent point wtmusic Jun 2013 #16
That would be wind. & who is the number 1 turbine manufacturer in the world? FogerRox Jun 2013 #17
To stay on topic wtmusic Jun 2013 #18
You are aware - actually I doubt it - that all of the magnets in every damn gas entrenching wind... NNadir Jun 2013 #35
The Chinese are world leaders in the construction of nuclear reactors today. NNadir Jun 2013 #22
LOL! jpak Jun 2013 #46
A side-effect of China's massive PV boom NickB79 Jun 2013 #20
That was my first thought as well. GreenPartyVoter Jun 2013 #31
Um, uh, they come with a warranty against this sort of defect. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #21
Um, um, um...making worthless toxic junk over and over and over because it can't be manufactured... NNadir Jun 2013 #24
Flame bait and overall RW nuttery in his seven sentences of commentary. He started another flame war Kolesar Jun 2013 #23
It's too bad that the "I hear what I want to hear" squad can't alert a DU Jury to articles in the... NNadir Jun 2013 #25
The NY Times is RW Nuttery? Renew Deal Jun 2013 #26
they have their share rurallib Jun 2013 #29
See for example their cheer leading the Iraq war. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #30
Key words: "his" and "commentary" ... eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #33
"RW nuttery?" caraher Jun 2013 #32
It is classic "RW nuttery" kristopher Jun 2013 #34
Nuclear is certainly his obsession; but that's not the issue. caraher Jun 2013 #36
"RW nuttery" is rooted in their methodology kristopher Jun 2013 #41
I'm not sure the choice is Solar vs. Nukes Renew Deal Jun 2013 #27
That article is worthless as a measure of the actual failure rate of solar panels. kristopher Jun 2013 #42
There's no such thing as a competition between solar and nuclear energy. NNadir Jun 2013 #47
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. Laelth Jun 2013 #28
NNadir was pre-emptively hostile muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #45
When a solar cell fails, how many pregnancies end up in birth defects? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #37
Depends on how much cadmium in the replaced panel enters the food chain. wtmusic Jun 2013 #38
Simple fix - mandatory recycling. kristopher Jun 2013 #43
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