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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. Exxon is just a business.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:10 AM
Jun 2013

I do not expect them to be ethical. I expect them to do everything they can to make money. Nothing wrong with that.

As a liberal, what I am concerned about is public policy. What I expect out of government is sane, liberal policy. Exxon (and petrochemicals, generally) needs careful regulation and government oversight to insure that its natural tendencies (to make money) serve the public interest (and, generally, they do--we need fuel). When their natural tendencies do not serve the public interest, I expect the government to step in. Their environmental practices, for example, need careful observation and correction from time to time. They do not need subsidies, imo. They do not need favorable tax policies, imo. That they get both subsidies and favorable tax policies seems counter-productive and wasteful to me. The fact is that we do not have the diligent, liberal government that I would prefer. That said, Exxon serves a vital national interest, and while, as a multinational, I don't think they have any loyalty to the United States, I don't really expect them to have any loyalty to anything other than their bottom line. To expect more from any company would be quite foolish.

As for the algae and biofuels, I think it's unwise to subsidize them. They are not cost-effective means of generating fuel, they do nothing (at present) to reduce CO2 emissions, and, as for corn-based ethanol, we need the land to produce food. In the long run, food is vastly more important. I do not blame Exxon for taking federal money to produce ethanol, nor do I blame big agricultural firms for taking the government's dime to produce ethanol. I merely think that both those subsidies are a waste of public money and bad public policy.

-Laelth

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So they found out how to make gas? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #1
You can bet that if there was a buck to be made from algae today, they'd be making it. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #3
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4
I'm not greenwashing Exxon. I know exactly what they are. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #8
Greenwashing was not the correct term RobertEarl Jun 2013 #9
We're cool then. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #11
True ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #16
Yes, of course RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19
And this RobertEarl Jun 2013 #20
As long as it makes you feel good ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #26
You do this every time RobertEarl Jun 2013 #29
I'm sorry ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
Exxon is just a business. Laelth Jun 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jun 2013 #13
That's a clear and sane position. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #14
No argument from me, really. Laelth Jun 2013 #18
alarming ignorance pervasive poopfuel Jun 2013 #15
I very much appreciate your interest in educating me. Laelth Jun 2013 #17
you're welcome. Start with the website alcoholcanbeagas.com, plenty to see there. Links, etc poopfuel Jun 2013 #23
Ethanol wercal Jun 2013 #27
good post poopfuel Jun 2013 #41
That we have such difficulty maintaining our energy structures is revealing Scootaloo Jun 2013 #2
Sure we are. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5
It's not magic Scootaloo Jun 2013 #7
I smell a paid blogger here poopfuel Jun 2013 #24
Oh please... NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #31
Sorry but you're wrong kristopher Jun 2013 #32
Energy and carbon are two different things Scootaloo Jun 2013 #33
It's possible, but difficult, to have a closed carbon cycle. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #34
Are you for real? kristopher Jun 2013 #35
Yes, I am Scootaloo Jun 2013 #36
You don't have a point - you're wrong. kristopher Jun 2013 #37
The part where you carry the two, I suppose Scootaloo Jun 2013 #38
Not a problem kristopher Jun 2013 #40
You'd figure that they would jump on this. Indyfan53 Jun 2013 #6
They will RobertEarl Jun 2013 #10
I saw a presentation by Matt Simmons a few yrs. back, w. a sentence that nailed it . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #22
Exactly. n/t poopfuel Jun 2013 #25
I predict algae fuel manufacturing will find its sustainable place in agriculture kristopher Jun 2013 #21
Here is more information from Bloomberg Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #39
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