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GliderGuider

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14. That's a clear and sane position.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:00 AM
Jun 2013

I agree with everything you say, except for one thing...

I do not expect that governments will constrain established energy industries unless they are actively and obviously harming the public interest. That's because energy industries are the backbone of our entire civilization. We, our civilization and life itself are shaped by the forces of non-equilibrium thermodynamics through one iron law: always search for energy, or risk annihilation. Since governments are created to promote our survival, it would be utterly unrealistic to expect them to restrain the functioning of energy industries. All we can expect is that they will prevent those industries from killing too many of us in the process. Even then, the definition of "too many of us" is open to interpretation.

It seems to me that energy sources are judged on three values: their public benefit, the perceived harm of continuing their use, and the perceived harm of discontinuing them. If (Benefit + Harm(discontinuing)) > Harm(use) they stay in use.

Nuclear power is contentious because that ratio is close to 1:1 - the perception of their harmfulness has grown, and the perception of both their benefit and the harm of discontinuing them are declining.

Fossil fuels are the true backbone of global civilization. The harm of continuing their use is perceived to be much less than the sum of their benefit plus the harm of discontinuing their use. Of course the future harm of continuing to use them is subject to a psychological discount rate, while both the benefit and the harm of discontinuing them are not - they are both immediate. So fossil fuels will stay in use until they have permanently and obviously damaged our civilization.

Algal fuels have very little perceived benefit, and little perceived harm from either doing them or not doing them, so they are vulnerable to short-term financial decisions like this.

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So they found out how to make gas? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #1
You can bet that if there was a buck to be made from algae today, they'd be making it. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #3
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4
I'm not greenwashing Exxon. I know exactly what they are. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #8
Greenwashing was not the correct term RobertEarl Jun 2013 #9
We're cool then. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #11
True ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #16
Yes, of course RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19
And this RobertEarl Jun 2013 #20
As long as it makes you feel good ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #26
You do this every time RobertEarl Jun 2013 #29
I'm sorry ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
Exxon is just a business. Laelth Jun 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jun 2013 #13
That's a clear and sane position. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #14
No argument from me, really. Laelth Jun 2013 #18
alarming ignorance pervasive poopfuel Jun 2013 #15
I very much appreciate your interest in educating me. Laelth Jun 2013 #17
you're welcome. Start with the website alcoholcanbeagas.com, plenty to see there. Links, etc poopfuel Jun 2013 #23
Ethanol wercal Jun 2013 #27
good post poopfuel Jun 2013 #41
That we have such difficulty maintaining our energy structures is revealing Scootaloo Jun 2013 #2
Sure we are. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5
It's not magic Scootaloo Jun 2013 #7
I smell a paid blogger here poopfuel Jun 2013 #24
Oh please... NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #31
Sorry but you're wrong kristopher Jun 2013 #32
Energy and carbon are two different things Scootaloo Jun 2013 #33
It's possible, but difficult, to have a closed carbon cycle. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #34
Are you for real? kristopher Jun 2013 #35
Yes, I am Scootaloo Jun 2013 #36
You don't have a point - you're wrong. kristopher Jun 2013 #37
The part where you carry the two, I suppose Scootaloo Jun 2013 #38
Not a problem kristopher Jun 2013 #40
You'd figure that they would jump on this. Indyfan53 Jun 2013 #6
They will RobertEarl Jun 2013 #10
I saw a presentation by Matt Simmons a few yrs. back, w. a sentence that nailed it . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #22
Exactly. n/t poopfuel Jun 2013 #25
I predict algae fuel manufacturing will find its sustainable place in agriculture kristopher Jun 2013 #21
Here is more information from Bloomberg Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #39
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