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poopfuel

(250 posts)
15. alarming ignorance pervasive
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:05 AM
Jun 2013

You seem like a perfectly nice person who is unfortunately a little too complacent about Exxon serving a national interest. Exxon serves its bottom line, as you said. Nothing they have ever done has served anything but that.

You have also unfortunately bought into all the stereotype arguments about biofuels, particularly ethanol. You comment without any research done, so you would find out if researched, that we have enough food to feed the planet several times over, that lack of food is an issue of cash, not an issue of quantity (do you know how many silos of corn we have in this country each year even AFTER last year's drought summer?)

You say that Exxon takes federal money to produce ethanol??? Where do you get this stuff?

Big agricultural firms are NOT in the ethanol business, with the lone exception of ADM and they don't use GMO corn. BTW, I'd much prefer to BURN GMO corn than feed it to cows which is where most of the corn in this country goes. Yep. Animal feed represents 88 percent of the corn supply. After ethanol is distilled, the mash left over becomes much higher quality animal feed because the starch has been removed. Cows can't digest starch.

As for subsidies, big oil has had the advantage there for decades and always will. So we will keep putting their swill in our cars because they have monopolized the message on ethanol and made sure it is demonized while they continue to foul our waters, our lands, etc. Hurray for you and your critique of ethanol. You just convinced everyone that gasoline should rule the day. I don't suppose you know that ethanol can be made by anyone whereas gasoline....... get the picture? Why do you think the oil companies hate it so much? And always have, since prohibition was enacted to eliminate its production.

Subsidies do have a place in our society when effective. Ethanol subsidies reduced the handouts we give to farmers (THE VAST MAJORITY OF ETHANOL PRODUCERS ARE FARM COOPS!!!!) for growing nothing. Do monocultures stink? Yes. Is corn a lousy product for ethanol? Mediocre, it's true. But I suggest you go to alcoholcanbeagas.com for alternatives and information.

Good luck in your research.

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So they found out how to make gas? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #1
You can bet that if there was a buck to be made from algae today, they'd be making it. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #3
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4
I'm not greenwashing Exxon. I know exactly what they are. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #8
Greenwashing was not the correct term RobertEarl Jun 2013 #9
We're cool then. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #11
True ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #16
Yes, of course RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19
And this RobertEarl Jun 2013 #20
As long as it makes you feel good ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #26
You do this every time RobertEarl Jun 2013 #29
I'm sorry ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
Exxon is just a business. Laelth Jun 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jun 2013 #13
That's a clear and sane position. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #14
No argument from me, really. Laelth Jun 2013 #18
alarming ignorance pervasive poopfuel Jun 2013 #15
I very much appreciate your interest in educating me. Laelth Jun 2013 #17
you're welcome. Start with the website alcoholcanbeagas.com, plenty to see there. Links, etc poopfuel Jun 2013 #23
Ethanol wercal Jun 2013 #27
good post poopfuel Jun 2013 #41
That we have such difficulty maintaining our energy structures is revealing Scootaloo Jun 2013 #2
Sure we are. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5
It's not magic Scootaloo Jun 2013 #7
I smell a paid blogger here poopfuel Jun 2013 #24
Oh please... NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #31
Sorry but you're wrong kristopher Jun 2013 #32
Energy and carbon are two different things Scootaloo Jun 2013 #33
It's possible, but difficult, to have a closed carbon cycle. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #34
Are you for real? kristopher Jun 2013 #35
Yes, I am Scootaloo Jun 2013 #36
You don't have a point - you're wrong. kristopher Jun 2013 #37
The part where you carry the two, I suppose Scootaloo Jun 2013 #38
Not a problem kristopher Jun 2013 #40
You'd figure that they would jump on this. Indyfan53 Jun 2013 #6
They will RobertEarl Jun 2013 #10
I saw a presentation by Matt Simmons a few yrs. back, w. a sentence that nailed it . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #22
Exactly. n/t poopfuel Jun 2013 #25
I predict algae fuel manufacturing will find its sustainable place in agriculture kristopher Jun 2013 #21
Here is more information from Bloomberg Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #39
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