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Scootaloo

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31. Beg pardon?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jun 2013

Carbon positive = adding carbon to the atmosphere. Another term would be "carbon footprint."

Biofuels are not carbon neutral. They have a carbon footprint. This is because we are using fossil fuels to produce and ship them. It's a smaller impact than using fossil fuels to make fossil fuels, because there's some carbon recycling going on, thanks to the plants. But the carbon footprint is still there, and still results in net additions of carbon to our atmosphere.

If you used biofuels to grow, refine, store, and ship biofuels, that would be carbon neutral... but then you run across the problems of thermodynamics. You cannot get more energy out of something than was originally put in... nor can you get 100% efficiency. What this means is that if we used biofuels to make biofuels, that's all we'd be using biofuels for... and we'd get diminishing returns for the energy output, represented by climbing prices... to create a product that we use to only create that product. See the problem?

Biofuels are a scheme based off a flawed paradigm - "we need oil!" Really, they're just an attempt to "strike oil" in a new place. They're a pacifier, not a solution.

The real solution is to turn to energy sources that are not limited (within human scope anyway) and do not involve carbon (much) such as solar and geothermal... I say much because I think we're still going to need carbon energy to create the initial infrastructure.

Paid oil bloggers don't tend to say "fuck oil, let's go solar," do they? If so, I gotta look into getting paid

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So they found out how to make gas? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #1
You can bet that if there was a buck to be made from algae today, they'd be making it. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #3
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2013 #4
I'm not greenwashing Exxon. I know exactly what they are. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #8
Greenwashing was not the correct term RobertEarl Jun 2013 #9
We're cool then. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #11
True ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #16
Yes, of course RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19
And this RobertEarl Jun 2013 #20
As long as it makes you feel good ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #26
You do this every time RobertEarl Jun 2013 #29
I'm sorry ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #30
Exxon is just a business. Laelth Jun 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jun 2013 #13
That's a clear and sane position. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #14
No argument from me, really. Laelth Jun 2013 #18
alarming ignorance pervasive poopfuel Jun 2013 #15
I very much appreciate your interest in educating me. Laelth Jun 2013 #17
you're welcome. Start with the website alcoholcanbeagas.com, plenty to see there. Links, etc poopfuel Jun 2013 #23
Ethanol wercal Jun 2013 #27
good post poopfuel Jun 2013 #41
That we have such difficulty maintaining our energy structures is revealing Scootaloo Jun 2013 #2
Sure we are. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5
It's not magic Scootaloo Jun 2013 #7
I smell a paid blogger here poopfuel Jun 2013 #24
Oh please... NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #31
Sorry but you're wrong kristopher Jun 2013 #32
Energy and carbon are two different things Scootaloo Jun 2013 #33
It's possible, but difficult, to have a closed carbon cycle. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #34
Are you for real? kristopher Jun 2013 #35
Yes, I am Scootaloo Jun 2013 #36
You don't have a point - you're wrong. kristopher Jun 2013 #37
The part where you carry the two, I suppose Scootaloo Jun 2013 #38
Not a problem kristopher Jun 2013 #40
You'd figure that they would jump on this. Indyfan53 Jun 2013 #6
They will RobertEarl Jun 2013 #10
I saw a presentation by Matt Simmons a few yrs. back, w. a sentence that nailed it . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #22
Exactly. n/t poopfuel Jun 2013 #25
I predict algae fuel manufacturing will find its sustainable place in agriculture kristopher Jun 2013 #21
Here is more information from Bloomberg Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #39
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