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Socialistlemur

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17. Actually those statements may be wrong.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:59 AM
Jun 2013

From a purely math standpoint, the first statement is sheer baloney. If temperature was increasing and then leveled off, the result is simple: the temperature is steady and not increasing. If one uses a running average of course one can see a change in slope of the temperature versus time line. But this statement is used by individuals who want to disguise the simple fact that temperatures have stopped climbing for many years.

I agree the ocean is warming. Those of us who understand the process realize there's a slow warming of the deep ocean taking place. But I consider the ocean to be a heat sink because it would take over a thousand years to reach equilibrium.

The second statement is of course unsupported. There is no way to prove the thesis - the author lacks the data. You see, I have information which goes into much more detail than you seem to have. I also happen to understand the underlying physics and oceanography.

My original point still stands. There's no need to panic because we have gained about 15 years due to the somewhat unexplained lack of warming. I say somewhat because some have already worked on this subject and have proposed ideas. But I see I'm dealing with quasi-religious fanatics therefore I'd rather not waste my time.

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The concept western civilization needs to start thinking about is "not doing". Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
Shorter version: "Don't just DO something - stand there!!" hatrack Jun 2013 #2
My best friend back in 1972 had that very bumper sticker. Gregorian Jun 2013 #5
Can we put "reproducing" at the top of the "not doing" list? nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #3
You must be a mind reader. Gregorian Jun 2013 #4
how do you reduce population growth? CreekDog Jun 2013 #12
"You" don't, of course. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #21
I think that answer is too long --you/I/we reduce population growth by increasing standard of living CreekDog Jun 2013 #23
The problem lies in our definition of "standard of living" NickB79 Jun 2013 #24
that's not true --birth rates decline in societies with out western style consumption CreekDog Jun 2013 #25
Yes, they do decline, just not enough to save our skins NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
No, you're not alone. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #26
let me ask, would you want economic collapse such as happened in the Eastern Block? CreekDog Jun 2013 #27
Remember: "Morals" are subjective. Nihil Jun 2013 #29
No, I don't "want" it, but I don't think it can be avoided. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #32
The concentration. Of CO2 in the air is 400 ppm Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #6
However, since there IS a greenhouse effect, and CO2 only helps plants up to a point . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #7
I like to be soothing Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #8
Your signature line says more than you know - goodbye. hatrack Jun 2013 #9
Remember a couple of years ago, when the Arctic melt really accelerated? NickB79 Jun 2013 #15
The world's most abundant renewable resource GliderGuider Jun 2013 #10
I agree Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #13
"the world stopped warming about 14 years ago" NickB79 Jun 2013 #14
Actually those statements may be wrong. Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #17
No, you are going to stop wasting OUR time - your denier troll bullshit is no longer needed here hatrack Jun 2013 #19
Thank you. Nihil Jun 2013 #20
Thank you!!!!! sikofit3 Jun 2013 #22
+1000 Thank You hatrack. n/t CRH Jun 2013 #30
Thanks for your support, y'all . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #31
"The world" did not actually stop warming 14 years ago. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #16
Indeed the ocean absorbs heat Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #18
environment tardybar Jun 2013 #11
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