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GliderGuider

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26. No, you're not alone.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jun 2013

Most people, especially those on a political board, accept the idea that individual actions determine the collective outcome. I mean, it's just obvious, right? I'm now pretty sure this is just another flat-earth mistake born of misinterpreted perceptions, though. It falls in the same category as the Sun revolving around the Earth.

The realization that human behaviour is limited by hard-to-perceive physical principles is simply a completion of the Copernican/Galilean revolution. No matter how many people would prefer that it not be so, and therefore decline to look through the telescope.

Population is a case in point. The main driver of actual population reduction (as opposed to merely slowing its growth) is economic collapse a la Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR. Even simply slowing its growth requires enriching the world's population, and there aren't enough resources to manage that for the whole planet. We'll try, of course, and kill the planet in the process - which will bring about population reduction.

I've seen no evidence that education alone acts to reduce the population of impoverished countries. Poor countries are usually trying too hard to grow in order to become rich.

World population along with material consumption and the expansion of technology are the main growth factors that are controlled by the second law of thermodynamics.

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The concept western civilization needs to start thinking about is "not doing". Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
Shorter version: "Don't just DO something - stand there!!" hatrack Jun 2013 #2
My best friend back in 1972 had that very bumper sticker. Gregorian Jun 2013 #5
Can we put "reproducing" at the top of the "not doing" list? nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #3
You must be a mind reader. Gregorian Jun 2013 #4
how do you reduce population growth? CreekDog Jun 2013 #12
"You" don't, of course. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #21
I think that answer is too long --you/I/we reduce population growth by increasing standard of living CreekDog Jun 2013 #23
The problem lies in our definition of "standard of living" NickB79 Jun 2013 #24
that's not true --birth rates decline in societies with out western style consumption CreekDog Jun 2013 #25
Yes, they do decline, just not enough to save our skins NickB79 Jun 2013 #28
No, you're not alone. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #26
let me ask, would you want economic collapse such as happened in the Eastern Block? CreekDog Jun 2013 #27
Remember: "Morals" are subjective. Nihil Jun 2013 #29
No, I don't "want" it, but I don't think it can be avoided. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #32
The concentration. Of CO2 in the air is 400 ppm Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #6
However, since there IS a greenhouse effect, and CO2 only helps plants up to a point . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #7
I like to be soothing Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #8
Your signature line says more than you know - goodbye. hatrack Jun 2013 #9
Remember a couple of years ago, when the Arctic melt really accelerated? NickB79 Jun 2013 #15
The world's most abundant renewable resource GliderGuider Jun 2013 #10
I agree Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #13
"the world stopped warming about 14 years ago" NickB79 Jun 2013 #14
Actually those statements may be wrong. Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #17
No, you are going to stop wasting OUR time - your denier troll bullshit is no longer needed here hatrack Jun 2013 #19
Thank you. Nihil Jun 2013 #20
Thank you!!!!! sikofit3 Jun 2013 #22
+1000 Thank You hatrack. n/t CRH Jun 2013 #30
Thanks for your support, y'all . . . hatrack Jun 2013 #31
"The world" did not actually stop warming 14 years ago. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #16
Indeed the ocean absorbs heat Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #18
environment tardybar Jun 2013 #11
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