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In reply to the discussion: San Onofre shutdown will mean tight electricity supplies [View all]FBaggins
(28,705 posts)45. I'm not sure that I see your point.
The Inglewood fault wouldn't be the primary risk of a tsunami that could overtop SONG's seawall.
Faults that are farther away present less risk (and the nearest fault line that's prone to significant tsunami is a very long way away).
Worst tsunami recorded? Evidence of a 380 foot tsunami.
I think we're going to have to go with your "granted". There is no place on the planet that is safe from whatever caused that tsunami (meteor?). If an event kills many many millions of people and destroys major cities... it is really a significant concern that there will also be a radiation release that would have killed thousands if they weren't already dead from the wave?
I presume you accept geological evidence, not just recorded human history in that local area
Both are relevant. It isn't really "'WE HAD NO IDEA THIS COULD HAPPEN'"... it's that the risk is below some very very low threshold. Note, for instance, that Japan has increased their definition of an "active fault" to one that has been active at some point in the last 250,000 years (IIRC) instead of 100,000 years. It isn't that it's impossible for a 9.0 quake to hit an area with no faults at all... it's just the risk approaches infinitesimal in the lifetime of a reactor.
We would never build anything but tents if the standard was "absolutely zero risk". You can't build a reactor anywhere in the US because the Yosemite super volcano will take it out some time in the next million years?
The largest recorded tsunami anywhere along the West Coast (let alone just that spot) didn't come close to endangering the sea wall.
Faults that are farther away present less risk (and the nearest fault line that's prone to significant tsunami is a very long way away).
Worst tsunami recorded? Evidence of a 380 foot tsunami.
I think we're going to have to go with your "granted". There is no place on the planet that is safe from whatever caused that tsunami (meteor?). If an event kills many many millions of people and destroys major cities... it is really a significant concern that there will also be a radiation release that would have killed thousands if they weren't already dead from the wave?
I presume you accept geological evidence, not just recorded human history in that local area
Both are relevant. It isn't really "'WE HAD NO IDEA THIS COULD HAPPEN'"... it's that the risk is below some very very low threshold. Note, for instance, that Japan has increased their definition of an "active fault" to one that has been active at some point in the last 250,000 years (IIRC) instead of 100,000 years. It isn't that it's impossible for a 9.0 quake to hit an area with no faults at all... it's just the risk approaches infinitesimal in the lifetime of a reactor.
We would never build anything but tents if the standard was "absolutely zero risk". You can't build a reactor anywhere in the US because the Yosemite super volcano will take it out some time in the next million years?
The largest recorded tsunami anywhere along the West Coast (let alone just that spot) didn't come close to endangering the sea wall.
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Yeah. Because we have barely scratched the surface of conservation efforts, which
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#12
I don't know if I would associate 'reliable base load' and San Onofre...
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#2
And how much of a hole in the grid when a few wind turbines overspeed and break?
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#4
I don't think I've ever heard of doldrums affecting an entire state grid.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#7
Hell, I don't think the wind EVER dies down in the Tehachapi Pass or out in the desert........
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#10
All it takes is a little intense heat in California and the winds begin to blow
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#62
the irony is that you want us to think of wind and solar as some scheming "industry"
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#89
"wind turbines are far less carbon intensive than the nuclear fuel cycle" WRONG
wtmusic
Jun 2013
#39
California has the highest geothermal production capacity in the nation.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#75
The 1995 Hanshin quake in Kobe was a strike-slip and even though only a 7.2, produced
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#24
The Fukushima Dai-ichi sea wall was considered adequate by some, until it wasn't.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#31
There have been, and there is risk of tsunami much taller than 14' hitting the west coast.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#71
Actually, you and PamW are all arguing peculiarly similar things, which are misleading
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#81
They're similar points (since they both correct the same error)... but they aren't 1 or 2
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#82
The simple fact is PamW said specifically that there aren't subduction zones off California --false
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#83
Actually, I pointed out far upthread that the Cocos/Pacific plate fault can produce these tsunami.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#84
Our understanding of how faults and quakes work in the Pacific is evolving to this day.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#91
Certainly... but that returns us to the Yellowstone example and the first point
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#92
you're blaming Greenpeace supporters for the shutdown of San Onofre? did they f--- up the plant?
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#61
Hey wtmusic, San Onofre is not "reliable baseload" when it's been off for 1.5 years
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#90