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In reply to the discussion: San Onofre shutdown will mean tight electricity supplies [View all]FBaggins
(28,705 posts)53. I did say that... and I was right.
And that is not true. A tsunami, generated in Alaska, hitting WA state, was 1 foot taller than the hypothetical worst-case arrival time of a tsunami versus the tide, at SONGS.
I doubt it... (there isn't a 16-foot swing between high and low tide)... but it hardly matters. WA is a long way away and overtopping a sea wall by a single foot doesn't endanger anything.
The claim that it's only 14-feet above high tide is because the wall is 14 feet above a path and the path has gotten wet at high tide in the past... but that's not the same thing as high tide being that level (by more than a couple feet).
From your last reply
This reactor is broken, with a secondary cooling loop failure.
Not really... but what does that have to do with whether the reactor is poorly located?
This reactor is in a tsunami risk area.
No it isn't. Those words actually mean something... and "seafront" is NOT the same thing as "tsunami risk are". There is no spot in the lower 48 states that is a tsunami risk are. The fact that Canary Island coudl collapse some time in the next 50,000 years and form a mega-tsunami that would devestate the East Coast does not mean that New York is now a "tsunami risk area"
This reactor is very close to a fault capable of producing ground accelerations in excess of the plant's spec (see Kobe quake)
Not according to the seismologists... but again that doesn't matter, because it isn't capable (in anyone's estimation) of a quake that would endanger the plant from a safety perspective... just an operational one.
I doubt it... (there isn't a 16-foot swing between high and low tide)... but it hardly matters. WA is a long way away and overtopping a sea wall by a single foot doesn't endanger anything.
The claim that it's only 14-feet above high tide is because the wall is 14 feet above a path and the path has gotten wet at high tide in the past... but that's not the same thing as high tide being that level (by more than a couple feet).
From your last reply
This reactor is broken, with a secondary cooling loop failure.
Not really... but what does that have to do with whether the reactor is poorly located?
This reactor is in a tsunami risk area.
No it isn't. Those words actually mean something... and "seafront" is NOT the same thing as "tsunami risk are". There is no spot in the lower 48 states that is a tsunami risk are. The fact that Canary Island coudl collapse some time in the next 50,000 years and form a mega-tsunami that would devestate the East Coast does not mean that New York is now a "tsunami risk area"
This reactor is very close to a fault capable of producing ground accelerations in excess of the plant's spec (see Kobe quake)
Not according to the seismologists... but again that doesn't matter, because it isn't capable (in anyone's estimation) of a quake that would endanger the plant from a safety perspective... just an operational one.
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Yeah. Because we have barely scratched the surface of conservation efforts, which
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#12
I don't know if I would associate 'reliable base load' and San Onofre...
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#2
And how much of a hole in the grid when a few wind turbines overspeed and break?
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#4
I don't think I've ever heard of doldrums affecting an entire state grid.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#7
Hell, I don't think the wind EVER dies down in the Tehachapi Pass or out in the desert........
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#10
All it takes is a little intense heat in California and the winds begin to blow
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#62
the irony is that you want us to think of wind and solar as some scheming "industry"
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#89
"wind turbines are far less carbon intensive than the nuclear fuel cycle" WRONG
wtmusic
Jun 2013
#39
California has the highest geothermal production capacity in the nation.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#75
The 1995 Hanshin quake in Kobe was a strike-slip and even though only a 7.2, produced
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#24
The Fukushima Dai-ichi sea wall was considered adequate by some, until it wasn't.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#31
There have been, and there is risk of tsunami much taller than 14' hitting the west coast.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#71
Actually, you and PamW are all arguing peculiarly similar things, which are misleading
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#81
They're similar points (since they both correct the same error)... but they aren't 1 or 2
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#82
The simple fact is PamW said specifically that there aren't subduction zones off California --false
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#83
Actually, I pointed out far upthread that the Cocos/Pacific plate fault can produce these tsunami.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#84
Our understanding of how faults and quakes work in the Pacific is evolving to this day.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#91
Certainly... but that returns us to the Yellowstone example and the first point
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#92
you're blaming Greenpeace supporters for the shutdown of San Onofre? did they f--- up the plant?
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#61
Hey wtmusic, San Onofre is not "reliable baseload" when it's been off for 1.5 years
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#90