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In reply to the discussion: San Onofre shutdown will mean tight electricity supplies [View all]CreekDog
(46,192 posts)83. The simple fact is PamW said specifically that there aren't subduction zones off California --false
and all I have to do is paste her quote here and the only way you can attempt to make it true is to say that she meant something she didn't say.
PamW (1,199 posts)
72. Interject some science..
CreekDog,
If I may, I'd like to interject some science into this.
The faults in Japan at the western end of the Pacific tectonic plate, are different than the faults at the eastern end next to California.
Japan has subduction faults that slip vertically. That's the type of fault that gives you a lot of up/down motion in an earthquake, and that's the type of motion that causes tsunamis.
Contrarily, the California coastal faults slip horizontally in an earthquake, and generate side-to-side motions; so their tsunami generating potential is minimal.
PamW
72. Interject some science..
CreekDog,
If I may, I'd like to interject some science into this.
The faults in Japan at the western end of the Pacific tectonic plate, are different than the faults at the eastern end next to California.
Japan has subduction faults that slip vertically. That's the type of fault that gives you a lot of up/down motion in an earthquake, and that's the type of motion that causes tsunamis.
Contrarily, the California coastal faults slip horizontally in an earthquake, and generate side-to-side motions; so their tsunami generating potential is minimal.
PamW
don't say "nit picking" to me when you try to explain her three sentences away by saying in several paragraphs that what she really meant to do was talk about the Pacific plate boundary being strike slip and having less severe tsunami potential than subduction zones. you are saying she definitely was writing about the Pacific Plate boundary and NOT the Juan de Fuca plate boundary, the latter having a subduction zone and being TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to this conversation because it IS, on average, about 100 miles away from the Pacific Plate boundary. being 100 miles away, roughly, makes it totally irrelevant to a discussion of earthquakes and tsunamis in California.
what BS.
oh, and she didn't say that. you needed a page to make it seem credible that's what she meant.
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Yeah. Because we have barely scratched the surface of conservation efforts, which
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#12
I don't know if I would associate 'reliable base load' and San Onofre...
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#2
And how much of a hole in the grid when a few wind turbines overspeed and break?
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#4
I don't think I've ever heard of doldrums affecting an entire state grid.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#7
Hell, I don't think the wind EVER dies down in the Tehachapi Pass or out in the desert........
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#10
All it takes is a little intense heat in California and the winds begin to blow
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#62
the irony is that you want us to think of wind and solar as some scheming "industry"
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#89
"wind turbines are far less carbon intensive than the nuclear fuel cycle" WRONG
wtmusic
Jun 2013
#39
California has the highest geothermal production capacity in the nation.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#75
The 1995 Hanshin quake in Kobe was a strike-slip and even though only a 7.2, produced
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#24
The Fukushima Dai-ichi sea wall was considered adequate by some, until it wasn't.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#31
There have been, and there is risk of tsunami much taller than 14' hitting the west coast.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#71
Actually, you and PamW are all arguing peculiarly similar things, which are misleading
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#81
They're similar points (since they both correct the same error)... but they aren't 1 or 2
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#82
The simple fact is PamW said specifically that there aren't subduction zones off California --false
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#83
Actually, I pointed out far upthread that the Cocos/Pacific plate fault can produce these tsunami.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#84
Our understanding of how faults and quakes work in the Pacific is evolving to this day.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#91
Certainly... but that returns us to the Yellowstone example and the first point
FBaggins
Jun 2013
#92
you're blaming Greenpeace supporters for the shutdown of San Onofre? did they f--- up the plant?
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#61
Hey wtmusic, San Onofre is not "reliable baseload" when it's been off for 1.5 years
CreekDog
Jun 2013
#90