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GliderGuider

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2. Do energy efficiency initiatives really displace GHG emissions?
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:25 PM - Edit history (1)

On a global level? I'd need some proof to buy that one. They certainly let the global economy expand faster, but as long as the carbon intensity of the global energy mix remains unchanged, improved efficiency doesn't help the emission problem. It s the same concern I have about touting renewables for being displacive rather than additive. According to the CO2 emission records they are not displacing carbon.



The best one can say is that with efficiency improvements we can get more economic activity out of the same amount of energy (which is what's happening) but until the carbon intensity of the energy mix begins to decline, we aren't addressing the actual problem. the actual problem is the rising absolute levels of carbon being pumped into a finite atmosphere.

Just as renewables aren't solving the real problem, neither will nuclear power. In global terms, nuclear power seems a very poor choice because of issues with safety, cost, technological complexity and applicability.

As far as I can see, the only thing that will solve the emissions problem within the time window of the next two or three decades is the involuntary reduction of global economic activity, due to hitting some kind of a limit.

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Nuclear enthusiasts always ignore the "fallout" Demeter Jul 2013 #1
Do energy efficiency initiatives really displace GHG emissions? GliderGuider Jul 2013 #2
Do we have efficiency initiatives on a global level? OKIsItJustMe Jul 2013 #3
Efficiency initiatives are both local and global GliderGuider Jul 2013 #4
That has nothing to do with the OP kristopher Jul 2013 #5
I'm not talking about a minor rebound effect GliderGuider Jul 2013 #8
What evidence do you have that a lack of energy has curtailed development? kristopher Jul 2013 #12
??? I never said a lack of energy has curtailed development. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #14
that's what I thought kristopher Jul 2013 #15
Mmmm. Gee thanx. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #16
Silly GliderGuider ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #17
Not the first time I've been criticized for colouring outside the lines. GliderGuider Jul 2013 #18
Whatever - I thought i was suggesting the most basic rule of authorship... kristopher Jul 2013 #19
Unsolicited personal advice from a stranger on the internet GliderGuider Jul 2013 #22
Hardly a stranger. kristopher Jul 2013 #24
What's your name? GliderGuider Jul 2013 #27
Grow up. kristopher Jul 2013 #28
So I don't get to know your name? GliderGuider Jul 2013 #29
Nor his qualifications ...... oldhippie Jul 2013 #35
OK, so is it your contention that Botswana would be better off if US emissions were going up!? OKIsItJustMe Jul 2013 #6
My contention is that the USA has outsourced its manufacuring GliderGuider Jul 2013 #7
I don’t believe that is a sufficient explanation OKIsItJustMe Jul 2013 #9
It's also worth considering why emissions went down in that graph caraher Jul 2013 #11
What does the EIA have to say? OKIsItJustMe Jul 2013 #23
Yes, that is the problem with most accounting schemes for greenhouse gases caraher Jul 2013 #10
That really isn't relevant to the OP. kristopher Jul 2013 #13
Earlier post where we discuss "energy efficiency." joshcryer Jul 2013 #21
They don't dispute the 64 gt saved by nuclear power. joshcryer Jul 2013 #20
They are dealing specifically with what he signed his name to in that paper. kristopher Jul 2013 #25
No, they are deflecting. joshcryer Jul 2013 #30
Then Hansen doesn't agree with Hansen. kristopher Jul 2013 #31
They did not say his methods were wrong. joshcryer Jul 2013 #32
I think I'm corresponding with... kristopher Jul 2013 #33
Oops, I forgot, you're the guy who bought Nordell's nonsense. joshcryer Jul 2013 #34
Until a WovenGems Jul 2013 #26
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