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BlueStreak

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16. Why are you arguing about a theoretical problem that could only possibly occur

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:13 AM

Jul 2013

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after the nation has installed at least 50 times as much solar capacity as is currently installed.

And if we installed that much solar capacity in a nation that has essentially flat demand because of conservation, we would have LOADS of excess power, further making the issue a non-issue.

These executives are not stupid. They know that there is no issue whatsoever with solar in the mix at 1%, 2%, 5%, even 20% of our electrical supply. And by the time that we could install that much solar capacity (which would necessitate the shuttering of lots of nuke, gas, and coal plants -- which isn't going to happen very quickly because of the politics of plant ownership), we will have good technologies to store the excess power to smooth the cycles.

Why are you even arguing about this? It is ridiculous. You are arguing about a scenario that cannot possibly happen for 25 years, and then only if we do absolutely nothing to prepare for that.

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Intermittency Of Renewables?… Not So Much [View all] jpak Jul 2013 OP

Beneby makes an excellent point about 'discreet' customers cprise Jul 2013 #1

I assume he meant "discrete". BlueStreak Jul 2013 #15

jpak doesn't understand the issue PamW Jul 2013 #2

jpak understands the issue well kristopher Jul 2013 #4

Litany of scientific ERRORS by kristopher PamW Jul 2013 #9

Wow. caraher Jul 2013 #33

Yes, isn't it though? kristopher Jul 2013 #42

Well said. wercal Jul 2013 #26

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! jpak Jul 2013 #43

Right, variable renewables are not a significant technical hurdle kristopher Jul 2013 #3

100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Jul 2013 #5

More ravings? kristopher Jul 2013 #6

BALONEY!!! 100% WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Jul 2013 #10

You spend 8 paragraphs BSing then 3 paragraphs admitting I'm right kristopher Jul 2013 #11

More BALONEY!!! PamW Jul 2013 #12

Only you talk of an all wind/all solar/or all solar wind grid. kristopher Jul 2013 #13

100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Jul 2013 #14

Wow, you really got me. kristopher Jul 2013 #18

OH BROTHER!!! - now LAME excuses... PamW Jul 2013 #20

Greg/Pam - Apparently you can't read kristopher Jul 2013 #21

I can READ!! PamW Jul 2013 #23

An litany of evolving mistakes, misunderstandings ... kristopher Jul 2013 #24

Again, .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #25

Sp Greg/Pam had to call in the peanut gallery again, huh? kristopher Jul 2013 #31

Why are you arguing about a theoretical problem that could only possibly occur BlueStreak Jul 2013 #16

Because he's dedicated himself to harassing me. kristopher Jul 2013 #19

This stuff is about politics, not about technology or science BlueStreak Jul 2013 #22

"no compelling reason ever to build (or extend) any nuclear or coal plant -- ever" kristopher Jul 2013 #44

It really is remarkable, yet completely missed (or ignored) by so many BlueStreak Jul 2013 #46

You mention V2G wercal Jul 2013 #28

It is an economic benefit to the EV owner kristopher Jul 2013 #30

I don't like the numbers wercal Jul 2013 #32

No, not time of day pricing kristopher Jul 2013 #34

You need more data and less wishful thinking wercal Jul 2013 #35

I'll take the first one FBaggins Jul 2013 #36

Well that's an entirely different concept that has been brought up here before wercal Jul 2013 #38

Uh-oh, kris is not going to like ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #37

Ready for blast-off wercal Jul 2013 #39

You say "V2G is really a turn off for me" kristopher Jul 2013 #40

I'm going to borrow a phrase from my prior post: wercal Jul 2013 #45

That will make manufacturer warranties very "interesting" BlueStreak Jul 2013 #47

Interesting question kristopher Jul 2013 #48

The whole V2G thing makes absolutely no sense to me BlueStreak Jul 2013 #49

What do you think they use the batteries for? kristopher Jul 2013 #50

You really have to start backing up what you say wercal Jul 2013 #51

Right, the numbers are vast BlueStreak Jul 2013 #55

I believe elevating water is being used in Portugal right now wercal Jul 2013 #62

Hydrogen efficiency BlueStreak Jul 2013 #63

I believe the efficiency is currently 40%... wercal Jul 2013 #64

The economics of storage systems get better as we shift to intermittent sources BlueStreak Jul 2013 #65

They aren't going to pay me enough for that to make any sense BlueStreak Jul 2013 #53

Ah, I see you are actually a twin kristopher Jul 2013 #54

What?? BlueStreak Jul 2013 #56

Bluestreak and I most certainly are not the same wercal Jul 2013 #57

Be careful who you counsel ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #58

Well I've tried to be polite... wercal Jul 2013 #59

Yes you have oldhippie Jul 2013 #60

Ah...I see wercal Jul 2013 #61

We have a winner wercal Jul 2013 #52

the issue is price quadrature Jul 2013 #7

That's true. It has been modeled in detail. kristopher Jul 2013 #8

And you don't have to stop at 100% BlueStreak Jul 2013 #17

In fact you can't FBaggins Jul 2013 #27

That 300% is a nonsense number, for a case that will never exist in the real world BlueStreak Jul 2013 #29

I agree wholeheartedly with all but the last sentence of your post kristopher Jul 2013 #41