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BlueStreak

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47. That will make manufacturer warranties very "interesting"

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:12 PM

Jul 2013

If I am Toyota, I don't cover any battery that is getting extra cycles just sitting in your garage.

The only scenario that makes sense to me is that the EV owner could make a choice to charge immediately at the market prices, or let the utility decide when to charge up (sometime overnight) and give me a break on the rates.

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Intermittency Of Renewables?… Not So Much [View all] jpak Jul 2013 OP

Beneby makes an excellent point about 'discreet' customers cprise Jul 2013 #1

I assume he meant "discrete". BlueStreak Jul 2013 #15

jpak doesn't understand the issue PamW Jul 2013 #2

jpak understands the issue well kristopher Jul 2013 #4

Litany of scientific ERRORS by kristopher PamW Jul 2013 #9

Wow. caraher Jul 2013 #33

Yes, isn't it though? kristopher Jul 2013 #42

Well said. wercal Jul 2013 #26

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! jpak Jul 2013 #43

Right, variable renewables are not a significant technical hurdle kristopher Jul 2013 #3

100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Jul 2013 #5

More ravings? kristopher Jul 2013 #6

BALONEY!!! 100% WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Jul 2013 #10

You spend 8 paragraphs BSing then 3 paragraphs admitting I'm right kristopher Jul 2013 #11

More BALONEY!!! PamW Jul 2013 #12

Only you talk of an all wind/all solar/or all solar wind grid. kristopher Jul 2013 #13

100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Jul 2013 #14

Wow, you really got me. kristopher Jul 2013 #18

OH BROTHER!!! - now LAME excuses... PamW Jul 2013 #20

Greg/Pam - Apparently you can't read kristopher Jul 2013 #21

I can READ!! PamW Jul 2013 #23

An litany of evolving mistakes, misunderstandings ... kristopher Jul 2013 #24

Again, .... oldhippie Jul 2013 #25

Sp Greg/Pam had to call in the peanut gallery again, huh? kristopher Jul 2013 #31

Why are you arguing about a theoretical problem that could only possibly occur BlueStreak Jul 2013 #16

Because he's dedicated himself to harassing me. kristopher Jul 2013 #19

This stuff is about politics, not about technology or science BlueStreak Jul 2013 #22

"no compelling reason ever to build (or extend) any nuclear or coal plant -- ever" kristopher Jul 2013 #44

It really is remarkable, yet completely missed (or ignored) by so many BlueStreak Jul 2013 #46

You mention V2G wercal Jul 2013 #28

It is an economic benefit to the EV owner kristopher Jul 2013 #30

I don't like the numbers wercal Jul 2013 #32

No, not time of day pricing kristopher Jul 2013 #34

You need more data and less wishful thinking wercal Jul 2013 #35

I'll take the first one FBaggins Jul 2013 #36

Well that's an entirely different concept that has been brought up here before wercal Jul 2013 #38

Uh-oh, kris is not going to like ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #37

Ready for blast-off wercal Jul 2013 #39

You say "V2G is really a turn off for me" kristopher Jul 2013 #40

I'm going to borrow a phrase from my prior post: wercal Jul 2013 #45

That will make manufacturer warranties very "interesting" BlueStreak Jul 2013 #47

Interesting question kristopher Jul 2013 #48

The whole V2G thing makes absolutely no sense to me BlueStreak Jul 2013 #49

What do you think they use the batteries for? kristopher Jul 2013 #50

You really have to start backing up what you say wercal Jul 2013 #51

Right, the numbers are vast BlueStreak Jul 2013 #55

I believe elevating water is being used in Portugal right now wercal Jul 2013 #62

Hydrogen efficiency BlueStreak Jul 2013 #63

I believe the efficiency is currently 40%... wercal Jul 2013 #64

The economics of storage systems get better as we shift to intermittent sources BlueStreak Jul 2013 #65

They aren't going to pay me enough for that to make any sense BlueStreak Jul 2013 #53

Ah, I see you are actually a twin kristopher Jul 2013 #54

What?? BlueStreak Jul 2013 #56

Bluestreak and I most certainly are not the same wercal Jul 2013 #57

Be careful who you counsel ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #58

Well I've tried to be polite... wercal Jul 2013 #59

Yes you have oldhippie Jul 2013 #60

Ah...I see wercal Jul 2013 #61

We have a winner wercal Jul 2013 #52

the issue is price quadrature Jul 2013 #7

That's true. It has been modeled in detail. kristopher Jul 2013 #8

And you don't have to stop at 100% BlueStreak Jul 2013 #17

In fact you can't FBaggins Jul 2013 #27

That 300% is a nonsense number, for a case that will never exist in the real world BlueStreak Jul 2013 #29

I agree wholeheartedly with all but the last sentence of your post kristopher Jul 2013 #41