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NickB79

(20,370 posts)
15. Oh my, oh my
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:12 PM
Aug 2013
Remember how many coal plants you told us they were going to build? What was it, 28 or 40 or something like that?
That isn't happening.


Thankfully, it's only 6 or so new plants: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-27/germany-to-add-most-coal-fired-plants-in-two-decades-iwr-says.html

But then again, it appears they're forcing older, uneconomical plants to stay open even when the operators WANT to close them down, as Yo Mama pointed out in post #13.

Remember how they were going to be net importers of electricity?
That didn't happen.


Because they've been busy burning millions of extra tons of coal.

Remember how they wouldn't be able to keep the lights on and how everyone would freeze during the winter unless they imported nuclear power?
That didn't happen.


Because they've been busy burning millions of extra tons of coal.

Now, do YOU remember this claim?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x313730: "EU mandates on climate change preclude major investments in new coal unless it is CCS. Since CCS doesn't exist in reality that means there is not going to be an expansion of coal. They will intensify their consumption in the short term, but the concurrent expansion of distributed renewables builds the systemic momentum to shut down centralized coal altogether. "

Unfortunately, there HAS been an expansion of coal, and not even CCS coal either. Two years running of increased coal consumption and raises in CO2 emissions, with no imminent end in sight. Just how short-term is your definition of "short-term", anyway?

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. wtmusic Jul 2013 #1
German emissions down 25.5% since 1990, US emisions up 5% bananas Jul 2013 #2
Thank you. mbperrin Jul 2013 #3
Really, bananas? NickB79 Aug 2013 #4
Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim kristopher Aug 2013 #5
Are you seriously going to dismiss two years of back-to-back carbon increases? NickB79 Aug 2013 #6
You bet your sweet ass I am. kristopher Aug 2013 #7
Then you've gone round the bend. FBaggins Aug 2013 #8
You haven't been right about a single thing since this started. kristopher Aug 2013 #10
Oh my, oh my NickB79 Aug 2013 #15
So let me get this straight kristopher Aug 2013 #16
It remains to be seen? FBaggins Aug 2013 #22
You mean that your strawman has been wrong all along? FBaggins Aug 2013 #24
The German Greens are seriously making that claim because it is true Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #13
"this increases the need for stabilizing power" NickB79 Aug 2013 #14
Baseload, reactive, etc Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #21
It is always worth looking at what you leave out kristopher Aug 2013 #17
Except, Kristopher, that Germany passed a law preventing these shutdowns when necessary Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #25
Close... but not quite FBaggins Aug 2013 #27
It's amazing how short-sighted you can be FBaggins Aug 2013 #26
Since 1990? FBaggins Aug 2013 #9
They decided to eliminate nuclear power in 2000 kristopher Aug 2013 #11
And changed it after that FBaggins Aug 2013 #12
I haven't ignored it kristopher Aug 2013 #18
What you keep forgetting... FBaggins Aug 2013 #19
Not at all kristopher Aug 2013 #20
Lol! FBaggins Aug 2013 #23
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