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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. So let me get this straight
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 07:55 PM
Aug 2013

You are claiming the coal plants that were under construction BEFORE the nuclear shutdown are the fault OF the nuclear shutdown?

Is that right?

And you are scoffing at the statement: "the concurrent expansion of distributed renewables builds the systemic momentum to shut down centralized coal altogether."

Is that also right?


In their presentation to the UK government (PDF), researchers at Pöyry say there are three main reasons for the "apparent surge" in new coal plant construction, which is "due to highly unusual historic reasons": a favorable market environment in 2007/2008; excess carbon allowances; and an "inability or reluctance of developers to cancel projects" when circumstances changed.

... the researchers say "there will be no major new unabated coal or date night projects in Germany for the foreseeable future beyond those currently under construction."

...running "thermal plants has become increasingly difficult" in Germany because renewable power is "reducing output of all thermal plants and depressing wholesale electricity prices." In other words, Germany's GW of coal power will increasingly translate into fewer GWh; the plants may be built, but they will be running less and less. The experts speak of "net increase of 8.9 GW" by 2015, but it remains to be seen whether Germany will increase its consumption of coal power in the process ...

Starting in 2009, the experts find that "developers' appetites" for new coal projects has died down significantly so that there will be no further investment in coal plants "in this decade." By 2035 (see chart above), installed coal power generating capacity will have fallen from around 42 GW to around 15 GW – and again, that installed capacity is likely to be running at lower utilization levels.

http://www.renewablesinternational.net/no-additional-coal-plants-in-germany/150/537/62691/




So please explain how the plants in the construction pipeline were a response to the nuclear shutdown and not, as I have asserted elsewhere a part of the plan by the conservative government to both build MORE coal plants alongside of EXTENDING the use Nuclear?

Merkel has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into changing business as usual. But the public is firmly committed to the move away from centralized generation and she is only holding onto power by the skin of her teeth.

Germany has set a goal of 40% carbon reductions over 1990 levels by 2020, 55% by 2030 and 70% by 2040. They are on track with their infrastructure to meet those goals.

If you want to criticize, I'd suggest you look for the mote in thine own eye and focus your efforts on pushing the US to emulate German energy policy. I say that because the policy you are criticizing - keeping nuclear plants running - crowds out the type of generation that actually FORCES fundamental change onto the system.


The Poryr study is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/194335/Poyry_Report_-_Coal_fired_power_generation_in_Germany.pdf

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. wtmusic Jul 2013 #1
German emissions down 25.5% since 1990, US emisions up 5% bananas Jul 2013 #2
Thank you. mbperrin Jul 2013 #3
Really, bananas? NickB79 Aug 2013 #4
Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim kristopher Aug 2013 #5
Are you seriously going to dismiss two years of back-to-back carbon increases? NickB79 Aug 2013 #6
You bet your sweet ass I am. kristopher Aug 2013 #7
Then you've gone round the bend. FBaggins Aug 2013 #8
You haven't been right about a single thing since this started. kristopher Aug 2013 #10
Oh my, oh my NickB79 Aug 2013 #15
So let me get this straight kristopher Aug 2013 #16
It remains to be seen? FBaggins Aug 2013 #22
You mean that your strawman has been wrong all along? FBaggins Aug 2013 #24
The German Greens are seriously making that claim because it is true Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #13
"this increases the need for stabilizing power" NickB79 Aug 2013 #14
Baseload, reactive, etc Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #21
It is always worth looking at what you leave out kristopher Aug 2013 #17
Except, Kristopher, that Germany passed a law preventing these shutdowns when necessary Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #25
Close... but not quite FBaggins Aug 2013 #27
It's amazing how short-sighted you can be FBaggins Aug 2013 #26
Since 1990? FBaggins Aug 2013 #9
They decided to eliminate nuclear power in 2000 kristopher Aug 2013 #11
And changed it after that FBaggins Aug 2013 #12
I haven't ignored it kristopher Aug 2013 #18
What you keep forgetting... FBaggins Aug 2013 #19
Not at all kristopher Aug 2013 #20
Lol! FBaggins Aug 2013 #23
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