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FBaggins

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26. It's amazing how short-sighted you can be

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:21 PM

Aug 2013

What do you think the end-game is for those plants (not specific plants... just those types of plants)?

Think about the setup of the grid you imagine for 20-30 years from now. Take that nonsense "study" you keep spamming and look at the role that the fossil plants play.

Describe for me what you think that market looks like. What a consumer pays for... how the smart grid operates... how producers large and small (clean and dirty) get compensated... etc.

With the exception of nuclear power, it's the same grid I'm looking for... but it seems like you never look over the horizon to what it means. You keep acting as if there's something magical in renewables that causes the fossil plants to shut down... when that simply isn't the case. It's a policy decision... and it's one that can't persist in the new world (yours or mine).

What you're seeing is a game being played... and I'm not sure you understand the rules.

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. wtmusic Jul 2013 #1

German emissions down 25.5% since 1990, US emisions up 5% bananas Jul 2013 #2

Thank you. mbperrin Jul 2013 #3

Really, bananas? NickB79 Aug 2013 #4

Are you SERIOUSLY making the claim kristopher Aug 2013 #5

Are you seriously going to dismiss two years of back-to-back carbon increases? NickB79 Aug 2013 #6

You bet your sweet ass I am. kristopher Aug 2013 #7

Then you've gone round the bend. FBaggins Aug 2013 #8

You haven't been right about a single thing since this started. kristopher Aug 2013 #10

Oh my, oh my NickB79 Aug 2013 #15

So let me get this straight kristopher Aug 2013 #16

It remains to be seen? FBaggins Aug 2013 #22

You mean that your strawman has been wrong all along? FBaggins Aug 2013 #24

The German Greens are seriously making that claim because it is true Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #13

"this increases the need for stabilizing power" NickB79 Aug 2013 #14

Baseload, reactive, etc Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #21

It is always worth looking at what you leave out kristopher Aug 2013 #17

Except, Kristopher, that Germany passed a law preventing these shutdowns when necessary Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #25

Close... but not quite FBaggins Aug 2013 #27

It's amazing how short-sighted you can be FBaggins Aug 2013 #26

Since 1990? FBaggins Aug 2013 #9

They decided to eliminate nuclear power in 2000 kristopher Aug 2013 #11

And changed it after that FBaggins Aug 2013 #12

I haven't ignored it kristopher Aug 2013 #18

What you keep forgetting... FBaggins Aug 2013 #19

Not at all kristopher Aug 2013 #20

Lol! FBaggins Aug 2013 #23