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kristopher

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52. Top UK Climate Scientist says Coal with CCS is the ONLY solution to global warming
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:47 PM
Aug 2013

If you want to learn about climate science, look to climate scientists, I always say. But if you want to learn about climate policy and energy technology, well, you might try looking elsewhere. - J. Romm


Climatologist Myles Allen Says We’re ‘Doomed’ If We Keep Burning Carbon, Then Embraces Dubious Silver Bullet
BY JOE ROMM ON MAY 29, 2013 AT 7:33 PM
Why carbon capture and storage isn’t “the solution” to our climate problems

If you want to learn about climate science, look to climate scientists, I always say. But if you want to learn about climate policy and energy technology, well, you might try looking elsewhere.
A case in point is British climate scientist, Myles Allen. He noted in the Daily Mail On Sunday (MoS) that “we’re doomed to disastrous warming” if we keep burning carbon — even if a recent paper he coauthored about a low climate sensitivity turns out to be true. But then he went on to argue that the only solution — and he does mean only solution — is to mandate that companies capture and store the carbon they release.


Actual caption in MoS: “Futile: Subsidising windfarms, like Whitelee on the outskirts of Glasgow, is a pointless policy, argues Professor Allen.”


Allen’s policy discussion is precisely the kind of nonsense you’d expect in the Mail, whose climate coverage is so atavastic, it makes the Wall Street Journal editorial page look like Climate Central. It is simply head-exploding that any serious climate scientist would publish a piece in publication discredited by so many climate scientists.

Back in 2010, two top climate scientists and the National Snow and Ice Data Center accused the Daily Mail of misquoting and misrepresenting them or their work. Last year, the UK’s Met Office, part of its Defence Ministry, took the unusual step of releasing a statement utterly debunking David Rose’s assertions in the paper as “entirely misleading” — and pointing out that they spoke to Rose before the piece came out but he chose to ignore what they had to say.

And so we’re subjected to this cranium-destroying headline and sub-head:
Why I think we’re wasting billions on global warming, by top British climate scientist
The MoS has campaigned tirelessly against the folly of Britain’s eco-obsessed energy policy. Now comes a game-changing intervention…. from an expert respected by the green fanatics themselves


Ahh, those green fanatics. How much wiser our climate policy would be if not for their obsession with clean energy policy!! Seriously....


More at http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/29/2066701/climatologist-myles-allen-says-were-doomed-if-we-keep-burning-carbon-then-embraces-dubious-silver-bullet/

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The panel says it cannot determine? FUCK it, of course these are related. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #2
Well, no, it's not obvious Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #9
Not too long ago some nuclear loving DUer upaloopa Aug 2013 #3
That was probably me. wtmusic Aug 2013 #26
. Do you have peer-reviewed evidence of deaths from coal? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #34
Fair enough. wtmusic Aug 2013 #35
you're saying it's not so bad then CreekDog Aug 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #4
There's a reason that it "can't be determined" FBaggins Aug 2013 #8
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You are comparing a rate to a raw number? kristopher Aug 2013 #15
The 15-20 figure is just an example FBaggins Aug 2013 #17
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Because, unlike you, I actually understand the facts. FBaggins Aug 2013 #20
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Everyone does not interpret the world numerically Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #19
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Who the hell is Steven Starr wtmusic Aug 2013 #25
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He's a lab technician. wtmusic Aug 2013 #42
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No, they didn't win a 1985 Nobel Prize for their work. wtmusic Aug 2013 #46
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It is not the same organization, and it's not an "arm". wtmusic Aug 2013 #48
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There is no such thing as an "argument from science without prejudice". wtmusic Aug 2013 #50
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No prob, thanks. wtmusic Aug 2013 #59
Top UK Climate Scientist says Coal with CCS is the ONLY solution to global warming kristopher Aug 2013 #52
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Actually... it doesn't. FBaggins Aug 2013 #43
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18 so far ... more will develop it later ... nt bananas Aug 2013 #5
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I'm sure the local nuclear apologists will be along in 3...2...1 nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #7
errr... phantom power Aug 2013 #11
errrr.... Post #15 might give you food for thought. nt kristopher Aug 2013 #16
Only if he's entirely ignorant re: what "incidence rate" means. nt FBaggins Aug 2013 #33
I said nothing about nasty or mean. There is more to come, tell me that in five, ten years. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #28
I see one of our resident nuke worshippers is already here mocking the very idea that kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #13
It doesn't. wtmusic Aug 2013 #24
in children it does? CreekDog Aug 2013 #38
It always has before FBaggins Aug 2013 #40
The page has been taken down. wtmusic Aug 2013 #23
More likely NHK is censoring it. kristopher Aug 2013 #27
The TV news video is still on youtube bananas Aug 2013 #61
There certainly seems to have been an awful lot of self-deleting on this subject ... Nihil Aug 2013 #60
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