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CRH

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11. On the conservative side, my thoughts are ...
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:37 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2013, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)

4* - 5* C by 2100 will prune the population by more than half. Those temps bake in 6*-10* C by 2150. At 6*C a few who go underground with some infrastructure might survive for a generation, but they will have nothing above ground to replenish their supplies and technology. At 8* - 10*, if life isn't similar to the molds that grow in geysers at Yellowstone, it will be history. Mammals sure don't have a future at those temperatures, and today's supporting eco systems will not be recognizable.

Thermal equilibrium will take some time and many more degrees before the effects of todays sequestered carbon have become a part of the upper limits of the thermal inertia, then and only then, cooling will begin. The earth might be fit for similar forms of life we experience today, in a few million years. If one is interested in this cycle, there is much to be learned from the geologic history and ice cores that have been studied in the past half century.

What can interrupt this and save us? Perhaps a limited asteroid impact or other natural episode that clouds our atmosphere such that another ice age begins very soon, and is not so severe it causes our immediate extinction. That would forcefully reduce the population until perhaps some humans could colonize the warmer areas not covered by too hostile an environment and climate. The question of our present civilization continuing on, well, I've never been able to imagine a scenario that ends well for our present dilemma.

I just don't feel scientists have what it takes to geo engineer a solution, or the sophistication in geo politics to allow peaceful attempts. Nature is too complex in the first case, humans are not socially, emotionally or spiritually evolved to the point where the second seems remotely possible.

One thing is certain to me, a democrat or republican, a capitalist, socialist or communist will not solve this problem. An anarchist would never try. That leaves the crap shoot of cause and effect, of whatever comes our way.

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Scary thought. iemitsu Sep 2013 #1
Little Qualicum River estuary is one of my favorite places in the world NoOneMan Sep 2013 #2
People have their heads in the sand on this.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #3
I am pessimistic, dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #9
I know ... Peacetrain Sep 2013 #10
I hear ya. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #17
They will certainly bust us back to being incapable of continuing on Warpy Sep 2013 #4
Sure, some of will survive. Those that already own their own helicopters and 50 acres in Peru. NoOneMan Sep 2013 #6
Do you really think they can buy their way out of disease? Warpy Sep 2013 #7
I don't know NoOneMan Sep 2013 #13
Garlic and Rosemary. n/t A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #14
It's called long pig, so season accordingly. Warpy Sep 2013 #20
"Long Pig"? Interesting - kind of like "Slow Elk" = cows hatrack Sep 2013 #31
According to Seinfeld... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #21
My money is on people like William Kamkwamba. In Malawi, in REAL poverty (i.e. no jtuck004 Sep 2013 #16
I think the Donner party is the likely model pscot Sep 2013 #5
This problem is easily solvable in a generation or two. What are we waiting for? tridim Sep 2013 #8
On the conservative side, my thoughts are ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
It won't be quite that bad for mammals NickB79 Sep 2013 #33
Sir, you are correct, ... CRH Sep 2013 #34
The most precious resources will be water Iliyah Sep 2013 #12
When it starts to crumble, ... CRH Sep 2013 #18
The only thing I get disappointed about is the constant blame on the population explosion... rwsanders Sep 2013 #15
Study the petri dish, ... CRH Sep 2013 #19
+++++++++ (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #22
If population keeps increasing, there is NO solution. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #23
The constraining factors are are human behavior and time. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #24
Well said The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #25
I keep thinking about the Pied Piper. factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #26
Thank a Wall St investor. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #27
And don't forget to thank a farmer. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #28
Farmers haven't farmed for decades. Iterate Sep 2013 #30
I do thank the farmers I know. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #32
O, Bodhi! chervilant Sep 2013 #29
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