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The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
25. Well said
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
Sep 2013

Can't stop, can't continue.

http://www.context.org/iclib/ic07/schmoklr/

"In nature, all pursue survival for themselves and their kind. But they can do so only within biologically evolved limits. The living order of nature, though it has no ruler, is not in the least anarchic. Each pursues a kind of self- interest, each is a law unto itself, but the separate interests and laws have been formed over aeons of selection to form part of a tightly ordered harmonious system. Although the state of nature involves struggle, the struggle is part of an order. Each component of the living system has a defined place out of which no ambition can extricate it. Hunting- gathering societies were to a very great extent likewise contained by natural limits.

With the rise of civilization, the limits fall away. The natural self-interest and pursuit of survival remain, but they are no longer governed by any order. The new civilized forms of society, with more complex social and political structures, created the new possibility of indefinite social expansion: more and more people organized over more and more territory. All other forms of life had always found inevitable limits placed upon their growth by scarcity and consequent death. But civilized society was developing the unprecedented capacity for unlimited growth as an entity. (The limitlessness of this possibility does not emerge fully at the outset, but rather becomes progressively more realized over the course of history as people invent methods of transportation, communication, and governance which extend the range within which coherence and order can be maintained.) Out of the living order there emerged a living entity with no defined place.

In a finite world, societies all seeking to escape death- dealing scarcity through expansion will inevitably come to confront each other. Civilized societies, therefore, though lacking inherent limitations to their growth, do encounter new external limits – in the form of one another. Because human beings (like other living creatures) have "excess reproductive capacity," meaning that human numbers tend to increase indefinitely unless a high proportion of the population dies prematurely, each civilized society faces an unpleasant choice. If an expanding society willingly stops where its growth would infringe upon neighboring societies, it allows death to catch up and overtake its population. If it goes beyond those limits, it commits aggression. With no natural order or overarching power to prevent it, some will surely choose to take what belongs to their neighbors rather than to accept the limits that are compulsory for every other form of life.

In such circumstances, a Hobbesian struggle for power among societies becomes inevitable. We see that what is freedom from the point of view of each single unit is anarchy in an ungoverned system of those units. A freedom unknown in nature is cruelly transmuted into an equally unnatural state of anarchy, with its terrors and its destructive war of all against all."

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Scary thought. iemitsu Sep 2013 #1
Little Qualicum River estuary is one of my favorite places in the world NoOneMan Sep 2013 #2
People have their heads in the sand on this.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #3
I am pessimistic, dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #9
I know ... Peacetrain Sep 2013 #10
I hear ya. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #17
They will certainly bust us back to being incapable of continuing on Warpy Sep 2013 #4
Sure, some of will survive. Those that already own their own helicopters and 50 acres in Peru. NoOneMan Sep 2013 #6
Do you really think they can buy their way out of disease? Warpy Sep 2013 #7
I don't know NoOneMan Sep 2013 #13
Garlic and Rosemary. n/t A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #14
It's called long pig, so season accordingly. Warpy Sep 2013 #20
"Long Pig"? Interesting - kind of like "Slow Elk" = cows hatrack Sep 2013 #31
According to Seinfeld... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #21
My money is on people like William Kamkwamba. In Malawi, in REAL poverty (i.e. no jtuck004 Sep 2013 #16
I think the Donner party is the likely model pscot Sep 2013 #5
This problem is easily solvable in a generation or two. What are we waiting for? tridim Sep 2013 #8
On the conservative side, my thoughts are ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
It won't be quite that bad for mammals NickB79 Sep 2013 #33
Sir, you are correct, ... CRH Sep 2013 #34
The most precious resources will be water Iliyah Sep 2013 #12
When it starts to crumble, ... CRH Sep 2013 #18
The only thing I get disappointed about is the constant blame on the population explosion... rwsanders Sep 2013 #15
Study the petri dish, ... CRH Sep 2013 #19
+++++++++ (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #22
If population keeps increasing, there is NO solution. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #23
The constraining factors are are human behavior and time. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #24
Well said The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #25
I keep thinking about the Pied Piper. factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #26
Thank a Wall St investor. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #27
And don't forget to thank a farmer. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #28
Farmers haven't farmed for decades. Iterate Sep 2013 #30
I do thank the farmers I know. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #32
O, Bodhi! chervilant Sep 2013 #29
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