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Iterate

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30. Farmers haven't farmed for decades.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 04:50 PM
Sep 2013

Between speculation-fueled land price increases and large debt piled up in the 1980's, most farms I know of became "managed" by university educated farm managers (from Monsanto U.) that are required by the banks which are needed to finance the next crop and keep the places afloat while the land debt is paid off, which it never is. That means the farmers are effectively hired hands with little control and all of the burden.

That arrangement is even more obvious in the case of chicken ranchers, who essentially become share-croppers under strict rules detailed in the sales contracts they need to make with the buyers. That system was pioneered by Tyson in Arkansas.

All of that resulted in the end of the family farm in the 1980's. It killed small towns and drove people from the Midwest into suburbs or larger towns where they learned to commute. It also helped spread the teabaggery in the plains states, as people do tend to get conservative, religious, and generally angry when that type of thing happens and they have no adequate narrative to deal with it. It's also one of the reasons I go off on the issue of debt-driven growth from time-to-time.

Before our fellow North Americans get overly outraged at the "banksters", I should point out that the reason Tyson or Cargill have such sway in the market is because of the concentration in the retail market, from McDonald's to the mega-supermarket, which in turn was driven by suburbanization and the auto. Smaller scale stores which may buy from a variety of producers don't stand a chance when people are driving five miles for a quart of milk, which they shouldn't be drinking anyway.

So there ya' have it. You can see from the narrative of my understanding why the most direct solution out of my freshly rested head is for everyone to burn their cars, fire trucks and ambulances excepted.

Did I miss anything in E/E the last month+? Seems relatively quiet.

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Scary thought. iemitsu Sep 2013 #1
Little Qualicum River estuary is one of my favorite places in the world NoOneMan Sep 2013 #2
People have their heads in the sand on this.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #3
I am pessimistic, dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #9
I know ... Peacetrain Sep 2013 #10
I hear ya. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2013 #17
They will certainly bust us back to being incapable of continuing on Warpy Sep 2013 #4
Sure, some of will survive. Those that already own their own helicopters and 50 acres in Peru. NoOneMan Sep 2013 #6
Do you really think they can buy their way out of disease? Warpy Sep 2013 #7
I don't know NoOneMan Sep 2013 #13
Garlic and Rosemary. n/t A HERETIC I AM Sep 2013 #14
It's called long pig, so season accordingly. Warpy Sep 2013 #20
"Long Pig"? Interesting - kind of like "Slow Elk" = cows hatrack Sep 2013 #31
According to Seinfeld... CoffeeCat Sep 2013 #21
My money is on people like William Kamkwamba. In Malawi, in REAL poverty (i.e. no jtuck004 Sep 2013 #16
I think the Donner party is the likely model pscot Sep 2013 #5
This problem is easily solvable in a generation or two. What are we waiting for? tridim Sep 2013 #8
On the conservative side, my thoughts are ... CRH Sep 2013 #11
It won't be quite that bad for mammals NickB79 Sep 2013 #33
Sir, you are correct, ... CRH Sep 2013 #34
The most precious resources will be water Iliyah Sep 2013 #12
When it starts to crumble, ... CRH Sep 2013 #18
The only thing I get disappointed about is the constant blame on the population explosion... rwsanders Sep 2013 #15
Study the petri dish, ... CRH Sep 2013 #19
+++++++++ (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2013 #22
If population keeps increasing, there is NO solution. Jim Lane Sep 2013 #23
The constraining factors are are human behavior and time. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #24
Well said The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #25
I keep thinking about the Pied Piper. factsarenotfair Sep 2013 #26
Thank a Wall St investor. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #27
And don't forget to thank a farmer. GliderGuider Sep 2013 #28
Farmers haven't farmed for decades. Iterate Sep 2013 #30
I do thank the farmers I know. raouldukelives Sep 2013 #32
O, Bodhi! chervilant Sep 2013 #29
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