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PamW

(1,825 posts)
17. The name is Pam!!
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:19 AM
Oct 2013

The MIT studies were done on commercially available technology - that is technology that you can currently buy.

The IFR technology was developed by Argonne, and no Administration nor Congress has provided Argonne with the permission to commercialize / license the technology.

Actually we DON'T know what the learning curve is for any technology; until you actually go develop it.

Nuclear power is still providing over 20% our electric demand, safely and cleanly; and that's more than renewables. So I don't see how one can say it is dying.

Monju was also cooled by liquid metal coolant and it had a leak. Handling liquid metals is not as uncommon as you think. Every foundry handles liquid metals - and they have leaks every so often. They just don't get the publicity and the unscientific pretense that something major is wrong. Why the Japanese didn't pursue it is their business, and likely their error. We don't have to do what other countries do.

For example, do you know what country first introduced the commercial jet airliner? It wasn't the USA. It wasn't France. It wasn't either of the two countries that make the bulk of the airliners for the free world. The first jet airliner was introduced by the British; the deHavilland Comet. However, the Comet had a design defect; it had passenger windows that were rectangular. The windows had corners, and stress concentrates at corners, and led to metal fatigue, and failure, and the loss of 3 planes. The loss of 3 planes was more than the British public could tolerate, and British commercial jet aviation industry wasn't pursued.

That let US companies like Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas ( now absorbed into Boeing ) take over the market and were unchallenged during the '50s and '60s. The US companies basically had the whole industry to themselves until Airbus started in the '70s. So all the money and all the jobs that accrue from the design / manufacture of airliners used to be the sole providence of the USA, and now the USA shares it with France. The British could have had a stake in that industry, but they didn't pursue it. Was that a good thing? I think it was a mistake. If during the development of the Boeing 707 someone had said, "Well this is just like what the British did, and they abandoned it. We should abandon it too."; we wouldn't have a major portion of our GDP today. Just because someone else makes a choice doesn't mean we have to be like lemmings and follow along.

The whole history of science and industry in the USA is about doing something different and better; and we've enjoyed the fruits of that success. Just because some other effort encountered problems doesn't mean the problems are not solvable. For example, the problem with the windows on the Comet was solved by rounding the corners of the window, which is why the windows in passenger jets look the way they do. You do that - and we haven't had that problem since.

BTW; please do me the courtesy of calling me by my real name, and not someone from your past.

PamW

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Looks to me like madokie Oct 2013 #1
It doesn't have to be a problem for future generations... PamW Oct 2013 #2
Wonder why Japan didn't follow that path? kristopher Oct 2013 #10
Why didn't Japan build their own airliners instead of buying from Boeing / Airbus? PamW Oct 2013 #12
The question was why hasn't ANYONE pursued the IFR if it is so superior? kristopher Oct 2013 #13
The name is Pam!! PamW Oct 2013 #17
Nope kristopher Oct 2013 #18
WRONG! PamW Oct 2013 #19
I value the most effective means of reducing carbon emissions. kristopher Oct 2013 #20
WRONG, as per usual PamW Oct 2013 #21
No, Greg, you are wrong - again. kristopher Oct 2013 #22
WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! 100% WRONG!!! both the name and substance PamW Oct 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PamW Oct 2013 #3
In a world with static or declining energy demand this might be true GliderGuider Oct 2013 #4
Lets not get too carried away here madokie Oct 2013 #5
Agreed. I just wanted to get the idea out there, and this was as good a place as any. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #6
happy to be able to oblige madokie Oct 2013 #7
More of your hypothetical bullpucky kristopher Oct 2013 #8
I used 30 year averages to ensure that I wasn't mistaking noise for trend. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #9
No, you used 30 years to fudge the numbers kristopher Oct 2013 #11
Actually, I didn't. Here's the graphic proof of what I'm saying GliderGuider Oct 2013 #14
The picture has already changed. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Not according to the data I have GliderGuider Oct 2013 #16
You're pointing your camera in the wrong direction kristopher Oct 2013 #23
At least you've stopped trying to beat us to death with Mark Z. Jacobsen... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #24
You stopped making the specific claims that Jacobson refuted. kristopher Oct 2013 #25
You can attribute whatever you wish. It's your belief system. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #26
Memo to sceptics of a low-carbon world – 'it's happening' kristopher Oct 2013 #27
What do Portugal's cars run on? What heats their homes? GliderGuider Oct 2013 #28
Tougher nuts to crack? kristopher Oct 2013 #29
I know that's the renewable dream, and that RMI are the head dreamers. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #30
It was abundantly clear you haven't got a clue... kristopher Oct 2013 #31
I call it "refining my understanding of the situation" GliderGuider Oct 2013 #32
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