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NickB79

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11. So, the solution is...more coal-fired plants?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:07 PM
Oct 2013

If nuclear isn't compatible with renewables, the Japanese think that adding more coal-fired plants that function essentially the same will be better somehow?

Also,

Nuclear isn't at all compatible with renewables. It isn't flexible enough. The variability of renewables isn't a problem at all in a properly designed system. But, nuclear isn't part of a system properly designed for renewables, they are part of a system designed for coal.


It sounds like you're saying we can't build a renewables-based system unless we shut down all of a nation's nuclear reactors first, which is ridiculous. The US has been adding gobs of renewables while running almost 100 reactors simultaneously. And we've been doing exactly what phantom power suggested: closing nuclear reactors as they become uneconomical due to renewables and conservation undercutting their profits: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/24/us-nuclear-power-closures

The Japanese decided to go another way, and in the process their GHG emissions have skyrocketed.

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winning! phantom power Oct 2013 #1
No worries, eh? pscot Oct 2013 #2
Japan seems to have had no short term options except to jump from the frying pan into the fire. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #3
There was at least one much better option phantom power Oct 2013 #4
The domain of "short term options" is defined by political as well as technical feasability. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #5
Nuclear isn't at all compatible with renewables. kristopher Oct 2013 #8
So, the solution is...more coal-fired plants? NickB79 Oct 2013 #11
Interesting article from the Grauniad, thanks! GliderGuider Oct 2013 #12
You can build coal plants optimized to support variable generation. kristopher Oct 2013 #13
Where the economics clash, the plants shut down NickB79 Oct 2013 #14
"Where the economics clash, the plants shut down" is not a given. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Its not so much radiation that people are terrified of madokie Oct 2013 #17
We frack here dbackjon Oct 2013 #6
Great example of why spending on nuclear is counterproductive to fighting GHG emissions kristopher Oct 2013 #7
Sure, sure... PamW Oct 2013 #9
That is pretty simplistic thinking that ignores many dimensions of the issue kristopher Oct 2013 #10
You know and I know that doesn't matter to this poster who you are replying too madokie Oct 2013 #18
I don't know about you.. PamW Oct 2013 #20
Pam you can be anyone or anything you want to be, I don't really care madokie Oct 2013 #21
I never understand... PamW Oct 2013 #23
Its the way you present madokie Oct 2013 #25
If you think I've made a scientific error - Please point it out... PamW Oct 2013 #28
Scientifically WRONG!!! again PamW Oct 2013 #19
There you go again madokie Oct 2013 #22
The animals are doing fine.. PamW Oct 2013 #24
The animals aren't doing fine, thats bullshit madokie Oct 2013 #26
The reason is that animals are thriving... PamW Oct 2013 #29
Mainly because animals have short lifespans NickB79 Oct 2013 #31
You really don't see what you say, do you? kristopher Oct 2013 #27
BAD nonscientific assumption being made. PamW Oct 2013 #30
No DrGreg, I didn't make a bad assumption. kristopher Oct 2013 #32
Lets talk about this a little bit madokie Oct 2013 #16
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