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madokie

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16. Lets talk about this a little bit
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:27 AM
Oct 2013

What kind of coal plants are they building, are they direct burn as we know coal or are they gasified combined cycle by any chance? Because if its the later its a whole different ball of wax in the amount of co2 output to the air compared to the former. I realize either way you have to rape the earth to get coal but so do you with gas, oil or Nuclear. With gas and oil the raping isn't so much out in the open as it is with mining but its still there nevertheless. What goes in comes out afterall. Any of the three I mention means we're as a civilization are fucked. I believe I've read the Japanese are installing roof top solar like it was going out of style, thats good if they are because in any region the most electricity we need is during the day. Solar and wind can and do produce a lot of electricity.
All I know is nuclear as it is used today is too dangerous and needs to be stopped.

In my personal world in the last 22 years I've gone from using gas, LPN, to waste, wood pellets, to a variable speed heat pump with a SEER of 19.2. Our electric bill dropped by 1/4 this summer from previous years. I expect our heating bill will drop by at least as much this winter. A lot can be said for what we as individuals are doing in our own personal lives to cut our energy usage.

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winning! phantom power Oct 2013 #1
No worries, eh? pscot Oct 2013 #2
Japan seems to have had no short term options except to jump from the frying pan into the fire. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #3
There was at least one much better option phantom power Oct 2013 #4
The domain of "short term options" is defined by political as well as technical feasability. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #5
Nuclear isn't at all compatible with renewables. kristopher Oct 2013 #8
So, the solution is...more coal-fired plants? NickB79 Oct 2013 #11
Interesting article from the Grauniad, thanks! GliderGuider Oct 2013 #12
You can build coal plants optimized to support variable generation. kristopher Oct 2013 #13
Where the economics clash, the plants shut down NickB79 Oct 2013 #14
"Where the economics clash, the plants shut down" is not a given. kristopher Oct 2013 #15
Its not so much radiation that people are terrified of madokie Oct 2013 #17
We frack here dbackjon Oct 2013 #6
Great example of why spending on nuclear is counterproductive to fighting GHG emissions kristopher Oct 2013 #7
Sure, sure... PamW Oct 2013 #9
That is pretty simplistic thinking that ignores many dimensions of the issue kristopher Oct 2013 #10
You know and I know that doesn't matter to this poster who you are replying too madokie Oct 2013 #18
I don't know about you.. PamW Oct 2013 #20
Pam you can be anyone or anything you want to be, I don't really care madokie Oct 2013 #21
I never understand... PamW Oct 2013 #23
Its the way you present madokie Oct 2013 #25
If you think I've made a scientific error - Please point it out... PamW Oct 2013 #28
Scientifically WRONG!!! again PamW Oct 2013 #19
There you go again madokie Oct 2013 #22
The animals are doing fine.. PamW Oct 2013 #24
The animals aren't doing fine, thats bullshit madokie Oct 2013 #26
The reason is that animals are thriving... PamW Oct 2013 #29
Mainly because animals have short lifespans NickB79 Oct 2013 #31
You really don't see what you say, do you? kristopher Oct 2013 #27
BAD nonscientific assumption being made. PamW Oct 2013 #30
No DrGreg, I didn't make a bad assumption. kristopher Oct 2013 #32
Lets talk about this a little bit madokie Oct 2013 #16
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