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In reply to the discussion: Myth: 15% Ethanol Fuel Will Destroy My Engine [View all]Bill USA
(6,436 posts)2. all the detroit car manufacterers make them, but... they make no effort to take advantage of
ethanol's higher octane. So you get worse mpg on E85 than on gasoline. However, with the lower price it may balance out.
The auto manufacturers could make their FFVs get better mpg on E85 with a little effort. HOnda sells two FFvs in Brazil only (plentiful supply of ethanol there) which get comparable mpg on any blend of ethanol (from 20% to 100%) as they do using gasoline.
Mileage (mpg) Using Ethanol Seen 20% Higher Than EPA Says - Bloomberg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112754153
A tweak to an automobiles engine software can improve by as much as 20 percent the estimated fuel efficiency when using gasoline with ethanol or methanol, according to a non-profit group pushing gasoline alternatives.
A Fuel Freedom Foundation study showed that setting the engine to run at an optimal setting for the higher octane in so-called alcohol fuels can cut the greenhouse gases emitted on average by 17 percent to 20 percent, making it better for the environment than estimated by independent analysts and the Environmental Protection Agency.
Alcohol fuels are not getting a fair treatment, Eyal Aronoff, a founder of the non-profit group and co-author of the study to be released soon, said in an interview. With the correct analysis, the greenhouse-gas emissions look really, really appealing.
Fuel Freedom is an independent non-profit based in Irvine, California, that doesnt have financial ties to the ethanol industry. It advocates for policies to build a distribution system for alternatives to gasoline in order to cut drivers costs and spur economic growth.
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link to the study: http://www.fuelfreedom.org/white-papers-temp
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all the detroit car manufacterers make them, but... they make no effort to take advantage of
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#2
No effort at all. In the 1998 Ethanol Vehicle Challenge, 13 college engineering student teams
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#8
we can use methanol & produce it cheaper than ethanol & in enough volume to totally replace gasoline
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#13
alas if we wait for the perfect fuel, or for electrics to save us, the Earth will burn. all we can
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#22
3 MIT scientists went further, Dirctly Injectng ethanol, turbo-charging & downsizing boosted mpg 30%
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#9
NREL review of E15 effects on MY2001 and later cars finds no meaningful differences with E10
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#23
Really....will they pay to overhaul my early 70's and later 40's vehicles...
Historic NY
Oct 2013
#26
do I need to repeat the title of the study for you or 'splain the meaning of '2001' to you?
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#29
all the legitimate research on this shows ethanol is a net energy gainer, unlike gasoline (.81)
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#11
one of the founders i know is an internet software designer billionaire. OF course, at least one of
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#12
Farrell et al found Ethn ENergy balance positive, found Pimentel & Patzek's findings highly dubious
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#20
Here is NREL's 2012 test of vehicles using E0, E10, E15, E20 for 60k, 90k and 120k miles. IF there
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#24
GW is on course to start feeding on itself. I believe the best we can do is mitigate the disaster
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#18
Elsie seems to be showing an unusual reaction to that new corn Monsanto requires me to grow for feed
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#28
nothing legitimate in CRCs 'study' adding sulfuric acid to E20 saying it was E15, it's FRAUD
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#19
in wet milling Sulfuric acid is used but this is b4 centrifuging & distillation after fermentation
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#32
it's way out.....pHe not less than 6.5 per astm D-6423 (ASTM D 4806 refers to D6423)
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#36