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Historic NY

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3. You can call it a myth but we went throught this in the 70's.....

Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:12 PM

Oct 2013

in fact the crap they are brewing now eats up aluminum and other alloys in the fuel systems of cars and small engines. It kills older vehicles not designed for it.

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Myth: 15% Ethanol Fuel Will Destroy My Engine [View all] Bill USA Oct 2013 OP

Weren't they making flex fuel vehicles for a while? johnd83 Oct 2013 #1

all the detroit car manufacterers make them, but... they make no effort to take advantage of Bill USA Oct 2013 #2

That is interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #5

No effort at all. In the 1998 Ethanol Vehicle Challenge, 13 college engineering student teams Bill USA Oct 2013 #8

Interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #10

we can use methanol & produce it cheaper than ethanol & in enough volume to totally replace gasoline Bill USA Oct 2013 #13

Methanol is not a great fuel johnd83 Oct 2013 #14

alas if we wait for the perfect fuel, or for electrics to save us, the Earth will burn. all we can Bill USA Oct 2013 #22

3 MIT scientists went further, Dirctly Injectng ethanol, turbo-charging & downsizing boosted mpg 30% Bill USA Oct 2013 #9

worst mileage I have a Tahoe and it sucks on just ethanol Historic NY Oct 2013 #4

You can call it a myth but we went throught this in the 70's..... Historic NY Oct 2013 #3

NREL review of E15 effects on MY2001 and later cars finds no meaningful differences with E10 Bill USA Oct 2013 #23

Really....will they pay to overhaul my early 70's and later 40's vehicles... Historic NY Oct 2013 #26

do I need to repeat the title of the study for you or 'splain the meaning of '2001' to you? Bill USA Oct 2013 #29

It isn't good for outboard motors and motorcycle engines. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #6

Is the israeli lobby pushing this? pscot Oct 2013 #7

all the legitimate research on this shows ethanol is a net energy gainer, unlike gasoline (.81) Bill USA Oct 2013 #11

Processing Ethanol Byproducts( Alternative Energy Patent Study) rhoanken20 Nov 2013 #37

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #38

one of the founders i know is an internet software designer billionaire. OF course, at least one of Bill USA Oct 2013 #12

If you go to the companies website pscot Oct 2013 #15

Farrell et al found Ethn ENergy balance positive, found Pimentel & Patzek's findings highly dubious Bill USA Oct 2013 #20

Here is NREL's 2012 test of vehicles using E0, E10, E15, E20 for 60k, 90k and 120k miles. IF there Bill USA Oct 2013 #24

food for fuel is immoral 4dsc Oct 2013 #16

GW is on course to start feeding on itself. I believe the best we can do is mitigate the disaster Bill USA Oct 2013 #18

And of course it's debatable that GMO corn is food poopfuel Oct 2013 #25

Elsie seems to be showing an unusual reaction to that new corn Monsanto requires me to grow for feed Bill USA Oct 2013 #28

Agreed. 100%. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27

Normal to test at the margins of the Specifications One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #17

nothing legitimate in CRCs 'study' adding sulfuric acid to E20 saying it was E15, it's FRAUD Bill USA Oct 2013 #19

Sulphuric Acid is normally present in Ethonol Blended fuels One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #31

in wet milling Sulfuric acid is used but this is b4 centrifuging & distillation after fermentation Bill USA Oct 2013 #32

Hows that compare to ASTM D4806 Limits? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #35

it's way out.....pHe not less than 6.5 per astm D-6423 (ASTM D 4806 refers to D6423) Bill USA Oct 2013 #36

one solution to the problem is install "blenders" pumps. You can set whatever blendof ethanol u want Bill USA Oct 2013 #21

So if you can't afford to buy a late model car screw you! I know from doc03 Oct 2013 #30

note: blenders pump comment (21) link provided. Bill USA Oct 2013 #33

Ethanol is crap. There's no sugar-coating it. Owl Oct 2013 #34