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Bill USA

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18. GW is on course to start feeding on itself. I believe the best we can do is mitigate the disaster
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:29 PM - Edit history (6)

The corn used to make ethanol is of the type grown to feed cattle and pigs. People won't eat it. The supply of corn has not been adversely impacted by growing corn for ethanol as domestic needs are being met (for people and cattle... most corn is grown to feed cattle not people*) and exports have been growing. ONLY the starch from the corn is used to make ethanol. The protein portion is recovered and becomes Dried Distillers Grains and Solubles (DDGS) a high protein feed supplement(which can replace corn and other sources of protein) for cattle. THERE is NO LOSS of Protein for this process.

Nonetheless, since the Government has prohibited making much more ethanol from corn than we currently are we are now at about the limit of ethanol we can make from corn. We should start rapidly increasing the current production of methanol and add that to the ethanol being blended with gasoline. We currently make methanol for about $1.45 a gallon, wholesale. This is the quickest and cheapest way we have of cutting our consumption of gasoline/petroleum for light transportation.

Even with rapid increased production of methanol, with which we could eventually replace ALL gasoline being burned in light transportation sector, the best we can hope for is to mitigate the soon-to-be runaway GW.

I, of course, don't expect us to do this. The Oil industry disinformation machine is too powerful. In the future the Greenland ice sheets will be sliding off into the ocean and causeing an abrupt rise in the oceans - no this will not continue at a nice linear pace. THe ice will at some point get enough melt water underneath it to hit an inflection point where the speed of sliding off the Greenland landmass will abruptly increase. At this point there apparently isn't enough data to model when this will occur. But whenever it is will be a calamity like we have never seen in Human history.

..... if you are not under the age of say, 40 you probably don't have to worry. Otherwise, good luck ... and if you live too close tothe shoreline, move inland .. and upland... from the sea while you can afford to.

... beyond the melting Greenland Icesheets (and of course the Antarctic Ice sheets) there is the acidification of the ocean. Shell fish in the Northern Pacific are already starting to show the affects of this. At some point in the future, the food supply from the ocean will crash and billions who count on the ocean for a some or all of their food supply will be in dire straits. But at least we didn't use corn for starch to make ethanol - whew!

* BTW: corn is fed to cattle because it is cheaper. Cattle evolved eating GRASS and they do much better on grass. You know why red meat is not good for our cardiovascular system (cholesterol, heart attacks) it's because the cattle were fed CORN. The Japanese will not eat our beef from cattle fed corn. THey will only eat beef from cows raised on grass ... AS NATURE INTENDED.


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Weren't they making flex fuel vehicles for a while? johnd83 Oct 2013 #1
all the detroit car manufacterers make them, but... they make no effort to take advantage of Bill USA Oct 2013 #2
That is interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #5
No effort at all. In the 1998 Ethanol Vehicle Challenge, 13 college engineering student teams Bill USA Oct 2013 #8
Interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #10
we can use methanol & produce it cheaper than ethanol & in enough volume to totally replace gasoline Bill USA Oct 2013 #13
Methanol is not a great fuel johnd83 Oct 2013 #14
alas if we wait for the perfect fuel, or for electrics to save us, the Earth will burn. all we can Bill USA Oct 2013 #22
3 MIT scientists went further, Dirctly Injectng ethanol, turbo-charging & downsizing boosted mpg 30% Bill USA Oct 2013 #9
worst mileage I have a Tahoe and it sucks on just ethanol Historic NY Oct 2013 #4
You can call it a myth but we went throught this in the 70's..... Historic NY Oct 2013 #3
NREL review of E15 effects on MY2001 and later cars finds no meaningful differences with E10 Bill USA Oct 2013 #23
Really....will they pay to overhaul my early 70's and later 40's vehicles... Historic NY Oct 2013 #26
do I need to repeat the title of the study for you or 'splain the meaning of '2001' to you? Bill USA Oct 2013 #29
It isn't good for outboard motors and motorcycle engines. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #6
Is the israeli lobby pushing this? pscot Oct 2013 #7
all the legitimate research on this shows ethanol is a net energy gainer, unlike gasoline (.81) Bill USA Oct 2013 #11
Processing Ethanol Byproducts( Alternative Energy Patent Study) rhoanken20 Nov 2013 #37
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #38
one of the founders i know is an internet software designer billionaire. OF course, at least one of Bill USA Oct 2013 #12
If you go to the companies website pscot Oct 2013 #15
Farrell et al found Ethn ENergy balance positive, found Pimentel & Patzek's findings highly dubious Bill USA Oct 2013 #20
Here is NREL's 2012 test of vehicles using E0, E10, E15, E20 for 60k, 90k and 120k miles. IF there Bill USA Oct 2013 #24
food for fuel is immoral 4dsc Oct 2013 #16
GW is on course to start feeding on itself. I believe the best we can do is mitigate the disaster Bill USA Oct 2013 #18
And of course it's debatable that GMO corn is food poopfuel Oct 2013 #25
Elsie seems to be showing an unusual reaction to that new corn Monsanto requires me to grow for feed Bill USA Oct 2013 #28
Agreed. 100%. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27
Normal to test at the margins of the Specifications One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #17
nothing legitimate in CRCs 'study' adding sulfuric acid to E20 saying it was E15, it's FRAUD Bill USA Oct 2013 #19
Sulphuric Acid is normally present in Ethonol Blended fuels One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #31
in wet milling Sulfuric acid is used but this is b4 centrifuging & distillation after fermentation Bill USA Oct 2013 #32
Hows that compare to ASTM D4806 Limits? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #35
it's way out.....pHe not less than 6.5 per astm D-6423 (ASTM D 4806 refers to D6423) Bill USA Oct 2013 #36
one solution to the problem is install "blenders" pumps. You can set whatever blendof ethanol u want Bill USA Oct 2013 #21
So if you can't afford to buy a late model car screw you! I know from doc03 Oct 2013 #30
note: blenders pump comment (21) link provided. Bill USA Oct 2013 #33
Ethanol is crap. There's no sugar-coating it. Owl Oct 2013 #34
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