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Bill USA

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23. NREL review of E15 effects on MY2001 and later cars finds no meaningful differences with E10
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:14 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/10/20131013-nrel.html

A review of 43 studies of the effects of E15 (15% ethanol blends) on Model Year 2001 and newer cars by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) found that the studies reviewed showed no meaningful differences between E15 and E10 in any performance category.

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The main conclusions of NREL’s analysis were:

• Several of the studies tested relatively large numbers of engines or vehicles, including the Coordinating Research Council’s (CRC) engine durability study (28 engines); the University of Minnesota’s in-use fleet study (80 vehicles); and the US DOE’s catalyst durability study (82 vehicles). The data presented in these studies did not show any evidence of deterioration in engine durability or maintenance issues for E15 (or E20) in comparison to E0 and E10 (when tested).

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Fuel system and engine durability. The NREL team reviewed 5 studies in this area. Engine and vehicle testing studies included:


CRC engine durability study. This study had concluded that two popular engines used in 2001-2009 model year vehicles experienced mechanical failure when operated on E15. However, the NREL researchers determined, the design and methodology of the study left the results open to a different interpretation than that provided by the study authors because of several factors, including: the leakdown failure criterion is not supported in the scientific or applicable OEM literature; statistical analysis included assumed data for vehicles that had not been tested, and omitted data for a vehicle that was tested; E10 was not used as a control fuel.

The NREL team concluded that when those factors are taken into account, the conclusion that engines will experience mechanical engine failure when operating on E15 is not supported by the data.
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LINK TO complete NREL report: http://ethanolrfa.3cdn.net/b378858ac325c6e165_sgm6bknd4.pdf

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Weren't they making flex fuel vehicles for a while? johnd83 Oct 2013 #1
all the detroit car manufacterers make them, but... they make no effort to take advantage of Bill USA Oct 2013 #2
That is interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #5
No effort at all. In the 1998 Ethanol Vehicle Challenge, 13 college engineering student teams Bill USA Oct 2013 #8
Interesting johnd83 Oct 2013 #10
we can use methanol & produce it cheaper than ethanol & in enough volume to totally replace gasoline Bill USA Oct 2013 #13
Methanol is not a great fuel johnd83 Oct 2013 #14
alas if we wait for the perfect fuel, or for electrics to save us, the Earth will burn. all we can Bill USA Oct 2013 #22
3 MIT scientists went further, Dirctly Injectng ethanol, turbo-charging & downsizing boosted mpg 30% Bill USA Oct 2013 #9
worst mileage I have a Tahoe and it sucks on just ethanol Historic NY Oct 2013 #4
You can call it a myth but we went throught this in the 70's..... Historic NY Oct 2013 #3
NREL review of E15 effects on MY2001 and later cars finds no meaningful differences with E10 Bill USA Oct 2013 #23
Really....will they pay to overhaul my early 70's and later 40's vehicles... Historic NY Oct 2013 #26
do I need to repeat the title of the study for you or 'splain the meaning of '2001' to you? Bill USA Oct 2013 #29
It isn't good for outboard motors and motorcycle engines. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #6
Is the israeli lobby pushing this? pscot Oct 2013 #7
all the legitimate research on this shows ethanol is a net energy gainer, unlike gasoline (.81) Bill USA Oct 2013 #11
Processing Ethanol Byproducts( Alternative Energy Patent Study) rhoanken20 Nov 2013 #37
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #38
one of the founders i know is an internet software designer billionaire. OF course, at least one of Bill USA Oct 2013 #12
If you go to the companies website pscot Oct 2013 #15
Farrell et al found Ethn ENergy balance positive, found Pimentel & Patzek's findings highly dubious Bill USA Oct 2013 #20
Here is NREL's 2012 test of vehicles using E0, E10, E15, E20 for 60k, 90k and 120k miles. IF there Bill USA Oct 2013 #24
food for fuel is immoral 4dsc Oct 2013 #16
GW is on course to start feeding on itself. I believe the best we can do is mitigate the disaster Bill USA Oct 2013 #18
And of course it's debatable that GMO corn is food poopfuel Oct 2013 #25
Elsie seems to be showing an unusual reaction to that new corn Monsanto requires me to grow for feed Bill USA Oct 2013 #28
Agreed. 100%. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27
Normal to test at the margins of the Specifications One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #17
nothing legitimate in CRCs 'study' adding sulfuric acid to E20 saying it was E15, it's FRAUD Bill USA Oct 2013 #19
Sulphuric Acid is normally present in Ethonol Blended fuels One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #31
in wet milling Sulfuric acid is used but this is b4 centrifuging & distillation after fermentation Bill USA Oct 2013 #32
Hows that compare to ASTM D4806 Limits? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #35
it's way out.....pHe not less than 6.5 per astm D-6423 (ASTM D 4806 refers to D6423) Bill USA Oct 2013 #36
one solution to the problem is install "blenders" pumps. You can set whatever blendof ethanol u want Bill USA Oct 2013 #21
So if you can't afford to buy a late model car screw you! I know from doc03 Oct 2013 #30
note: blenders pump comment (21) link provided. Bill USA Oct 2013 #33
Ethanol is crap. There's no sugar-coating it. Owl Oct 2013 #34
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